Scuderia Ferrari 2013

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The difference being Alonso had the fastest car in 05 and for much of 06, and Massa in 08. The cars are far more evenly matched this year than in those. It may be that there is still a difference in pace of the cars, but I don't think it's enough for Alonso to just be left in the dust like he was in the last two races, just in my opinion.
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godlameroso wrote:The difference being Alonso had the fastest car in 05 and for much of 06, and Massa in 08. The cars are far more evenly matched this year than in those. It may be that there is still a difference in pace of the cars, but I don't think it's enough for Alonso to just be left in the dust like he was in the last two races, just in my opinion.
I don't agree. Alonso had a fast car, but not the fastest. Kimi had it. In 2006, Ferrari was not good at the start of the season but again, Alonso had a most reliable car (remember Suzuka :(

In 08, Massa lost the championship for a number of reasons:
1. Kimi until France was the No 1 Ferrari driver.
2. Until France, Ferrari was the fastest car, but after Germany, McLaren was faster.
3. Although BMW Sauber was a fast car and Kubica was the championship leader Ferrari was clearly a better car.

In my opinion, from 2006 and onwards, the cars are very evenly much with some notable exceptions: Brawn 09 and Red Bull 2011.

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tpe wrote:
godlameroso wrote:The difference being Alonso had the fastest car in 05 and for much of 06, and Massa in 08. The cars are far more evenly matched this year than in those. It may be that there is still a difference in pace of the cars, but I don't think it's enough for Alonso to just be left in the dust like he was in the last two races, just in my opinion.
I don't agree. Alonso had a fast car, but not the fastest. Kimi had it. In 2006, Ferrari was not good at the start of the season but again, Alonso had a most reliable car (remember Suzuka :(

In 08, Massa lost the championship for a number of reasons:
1. Kimi until France was the No 1 Ferrari driver.
2. Until France, Ferrari was the fastest car, but after Germany, McLaren was faster.
3. Although BMW Sauber was a fast car and Kubica was the championship leader Ferrari was clearly a better car.

In my opinion, from 2006 and onwards, the cars are very evenly much with some notable exceptions: Brawn 09 and Red Bull 2011.
Well Alonso had two DNF in 2006 , Hungary due to suspension and Monza due to engine failure ! But if you look race and qualy results of Alonso and Schumi cars were pretty much even!

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Felipe Massa's preview of the Hungarian GP:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVI_PIXWYTQ[/youtube]

Felipe Massa commentating on a virtual lap of the Hungaroring circuit:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X52okIbYaR4[/youtube]
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According to Corriere Dela Serra, Alonso wanted Pat Symonds alongside him, but Ferrari rejected the proposition.

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Chuckjr wrote:2014, as a year for massive new regs, is no place to determine Fry's fate, imo. It needs to wait till 2015. You cannot judge the engineering of any of the cars next year whether good or bad as someone I think will get lucky and many will not. Lotteries are not a place to determine talent. If Ferrari, or any top echelon team for that matter, is a dud next year, i say see how they improve throughout the year. If they suck it and are still crap by end of the year, then 2015 should determine fate, but I don't think it's wise to nix a smart guy like Fry next year if the car is not a winner. I know it's subjective and many will disagree, but imo, a huge new regs year is no place for determining if a guy of Fry's caliber should be booted out.
In the past, "huge new regs" have meant a dominant car from Newey. He seems to be able to come to grips with new regs more quickly than anyone else. Fry better hope Marmorini comes up with a very special turbo engine.
I am not sure if many people remember here that, Rory is already working full steam on 2014 design. So, obviously Ferrari is betting on his design for success in 2014.

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J. Allison to Ferrari, according to AUTOSPORT - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108948

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:J. Allison to Ferrari, according to AUTOSPORT - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108948
Well its interesting now that ESPN has joined the bandwagon:

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport ... 17931.html

I would say from this its almost certain he'll be at Maranello and in a senior technical role.
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IF roles, responsibilities, and authority are clearly defined, this is only a good thing. I do not believe you can beat Newey by hiring one "star" designer. You need a team of top quality people working effectively and efficiently. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see any improvement until next season.
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prince wrote:
donskar wrote:
Chuckjr wrote:2014, as a year for massive new regs, is no place to determine Fry's fate, imo. It needs to wait till 2015. You cannot judge the engineering of any of the cars next year whether good or bad as someone I think will get lucky and many will not. Lotteries are not a place to determine talent. If Ferrari, or any top echelon team for that matter, is a dud next year, i say see how they improve throughout the year. If they suck it and are still crap by end of the year, then 2015 should determine fate, but I don't think it's wise to nix a smart guy like Fry next year if the car is not a winner. I know it's subjective and many will disagree, but imo, a huge new regs year is no place for determining if a guy of Fry's caliber should be booted out.
In the past, "huge new regs" have meant a dominant car from Newey. He seems to be able to come to grips with new regs more quickly than anyone else. Fry better hope Marmorini comes up with a very special turbo engine.
I am not sure if many people remember here that, Rory is already working full steam on 2014 design. So, obviously Ferrari is betting on his design for success in 2014.
Rory B has supposedly been playing some sort of role for a couple years now. I wonder just where he fits in the technical team? I sense (no proof whatever) that he is just a part-time consultant, and not a leading player. (I'd like to be wrong about this.)
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Byrne does not have a big role in the 2014 project - it has a consultant profile, which is still OK, I suppose.
Hiring Allison is a big step for Scuderia, and especially for Alonso. The guy will bring the much needed working CFD approach from Lotus (his words: "About 80% of the parts we test on the track in FP work as expected by CFD") and may come up with clever solution.
It's not only about people - Ferrari need to have an ideology to build the car around it - the current breed is just applying the rules.

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donskar wrote:IF roles, responsibilities, and authority are clearly defined, this is only a good thing. I do not believe you can beat Newey by hiring one "star" designer. You need a team of top quality people working effectively and efficiently. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see any improvement until next season.
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Come on... Seriously, you think that Newey designs ANYTHING on RB? I just don't believe it. He is the Technical Director. Have you ever seen a Technical Director to do ANYTHING? Certainly, he provides the general working ideas, the framework for his people to work on. But, that's all. That must be all. Otherwise, he is a semi-god. And I don't believe in Myths anymore.
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tpe wrote:
donskar wrote:IF roles, responsibilities, and authority are clearly defined, this is only a good thing. I do not believe you can beat Newey by hiring one "star" designer. You need a team of top quality people working effectively and efficiently. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see any improvement until next season.
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Come on... Seriously, you think that Newey designs ANYTHING on RB? I just don't believe it. He is the Technical Director. Have you ever seen a Technical Director to do ANYTHING? Certainly, he provides the general working ideas, the framework for his people to work on. But, that's all. That must be all. Otherwise, he is a semi-god. And I don't believe in Myths anymore.
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I see. Newey deserves little or no credit for Red Bull's success. I guess you and I can agree to disagree.
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I see. Newey deserves little or no credit for Red Bull's success. I guess you and I can agree to disagree.
No, I don't say that. All I say is that Newey has to be credited for what is actually worth. I am 100% sure that he has a team of brilliant people. But most people say "Newey" and how much God-like he is.

I believe that he is a very good engineer. But he has a team too... Don't forget them.

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donskar wrote:IF roles, responsibilities, and authority are clearly defined, this is only a good thing. I do not believe you can beat Newey by hiring one "star" designer. You need a team of top quality people working effectively and efficiently. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see any improvement until next season.
He's like an asymptote. He cannot be touched!! 8)

No matter how many guys a team gets, if none of them is on his level then they can't equate to him as a group.
Designing a car is a bout observing and following certain concepts. Newey has been doing this since 2009 on the red bull cars.

So you can't get guys from other teams who haven't designed an equally good car to now suddenly do that because they are working with each other. If you reduce their workload and increase their focus, it does help to make a better car, which we can see with mercedes, but it doesn't change the fact that that individual is not observing the same design philosophy, which follows that all their works put together will not cumulatively lead to a Newey beater.
Their cars just don't have the DNA to put it simply. 100 guys wont get them that. they need a Newey. Allison is no newey.
He doesn't have the cars to prove it.
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