Silly Season 2013/14

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You're arguing about whether a smile on someone's face as seen in a photograph transmitted over the internet is GENUINE? :shock:

Shheeesh, some of you need to get out of your Mom's basement. There's a great big beautiful world out there. There's even sunshine and fresh air. You should try it sometime....... :wtf:
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MOWOG wrote:You're arguing about whether a smile on someone's face as seen in a photograph transmitted over the internet is GENUINE? :shock:

Shheeesh, some of you need to get out of your Mom's basement. There's a great big beautiful world out there. There's even sunshine and fresh air. You should try it sometime....... :wtf:
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I usaulaly don't like Lotus' "humor" but this is so stupid it is actually very funny.
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xDama wrote:
MOWOG wrote:
Some people's fanboyism/hatred around certain teams/drivers in F1 is just embarrassing.
Agreed with the both of you.

Despite the fact that Riccardo is a bit of a let down to some due to Kimi being entertained. Seb vs Riccardo is a more appealing than Seb vs Webber yet again. I look forward to seeing how it pans out, or more how Riccardo pans out.

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Really looking forward to what he can bring to the table. Next year every single driver out there will have to adapt to the new generation of cars; a big part of Vettel's initial advantage will be whiped out by that.

So two top team positions remain open. I think Raikkonen will stay with Lotus; as cool and calculated he looks like, what happened in the past with ferrari still plays a role. He can also be sure about it that he will not get the same freedom as he gets with Lotus. So the only spot I see coming free is at Ferrari. I really can't see Ferrari not axing Massa; he has been there for years, and although pre-Hungary 2009 (without insinuating the accident he had there still plays a role) he was a fine driver, after that he just failed to deliver. 4 years in a row.

If Ferrari keeps him, I'll take that as suspicious. What team is willing to keep a driver that long without results more or less similar to his teammate? A team that deliberately makes that driver weaker.
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turbof1 wrote:Really looking forward to what he can bring to the table. Next year every single driver out there will have to adapt to the new generation of cars; a big part of Vettel's initial advantage will be whiped out by that.
It can be argued two ways IMO - either Vettel's advantage will be wiped out, or he will adapt quicker to the new driving style and have an initial advantage (to be eroded over time) Look at how beautifully he incorporated the EBD into his driving with an oversteery turn-in and straight on the throttle to squelch the slide and gain traction.

Interestingly on Ricciardo, Helmut Marko says: "He has to put pressure on Sebastian by mid-season in 2014 at the latest" - does that mean it's not a clear-cut "normal" contract, but in fact one of those rolling contracts that could mean Ricciardo out if he underperforms?

Also... "We had to go for a driver who is capable of securing the necessary points for more constructors' championships." - interesting he doesn't say driver championships, but obviously with the way things are (one driver a triple, possibly quad - champion, and the other never even troubling the podium before) he has to say that.

Also, he says: "I am sure Jean-Eric will have the chance to show his potential with STR in 2014" - indicating JEV is still in at STR. Perhaps as a barometer against which to judge Da Costa?
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raymondu999 wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Really looking forward to what he can bring to the table. Next year every single driver out there will have to adapt to the new generation of cars; a big part of Vettel's initial advantage will be whiped out by that.
It can be argued two ways IMO - either Vettel's advantage will be wiped out, or he will adapt quicker to the new driving style and have an initial advantage (to be eroded over time) Look at how beautifully he incorporated the EBD into his driving with an oversteery turn-in and straight on the throttle to squelch the slide and gain traction.
Incorporating the EBD into your driving style is not unique to Vettel. In Addition, which EBD system can we say worked as well as Red Bull's? I think this is the point Turbo is making. Vettel has had an advantageous system before, and continues to enjoy equipment supremacy regardless of EBD, Coanda etc etc.
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FoxHound wrote:Incorporating the EBD into your driving style is not unique to Vettel.
No, but he adapted it the quickest.
In Addition, which EBD system can we say worked as well as Red Bull's?
Which EBD system can we comment on the effectiveness of anyway? We cannot isolate how much was chassis and how much was EBD.

For what it's worth, McLaren gained the most of it in 2011 - see pre-season testing, and the races after they copied Red Bull. And note that they lost the most when Slverstone 2011 came about.
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Red Bull announced Ricciardo at 9:30PM UK time and already they're putting pressure on him:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109621

The writing is already on the wall and battle lines have been draw internally at Red Bull.

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smr wrote:Yep, to be honest if you have any brains you can see that Daniel's smiling is genuine and not faked. He just beams from ear to ear because he's so happy to be in F1... I'd be exactly the same!
It's an extremely mental sport and as Martin Brundle said you're either giving pressure or you're taking it. A smile is one thing but a guy who has one permanently painted on to his face in all situations is as fake as it gets. He even forgets himself on occasions in interviews, particularly after a tough race, and then immediately realises. You don't have to have the brains of a psychologist to see it nor to see that he's been schooled in it as a way of deflecting pressure. 'Just being happy to be in Formula 1' is the height of naivety.

Alas, I fear this guy is going to get hammered between the political lines drawn at Red Bull and reality of the new regulations. I feel sorry for him to be honest. Even Sam Michael at McLaren already knows what he's in for:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109625

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raymondu999 wrote:No, but he adapted it the quickest.
In relation to whom? Webber? I'd agree.
He adapted to the quickest car on the grid, 18 poles and 12 wins along with both titles are testimony to that.
How would he have "adapted" to the McLaren or Ferrari version? Your point works on the assumption that all systems are equal, and I disagree.

Different engine
Different engine maps
Different exhaust philosophy
Different blowing techniques.....( 8) )
Different rear end downforce

And finally, Renault where miles ahead of Ferrari and Mercedes in honing this technique.
Adrian Newey, Red Bull Racing's technical director, admitted that his team had the most to lose from the ban on off-throttle blown diffusers because the Red Bull RB7 had been designed around the concept, in comparison to other teams who had simply applied it to their respective cars after the fact.
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munudeges wrote:A smile is one thing but a guy who has one permanently painted on to his face in all situations is as fake as it gets. He even forgets himself on occasions in interviews, particularly after a tough race, and then immediately realises. You don't have to have the brains of a psychologist to see it nor to see that he's been schooled in it as a way of deflecting pressure. '
The RB brain washing team must have been working on him from an early age .... or perhaps it's his natural facial expression?

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That's the sort of situation in which you'd expect one, but these drivers are schooled at a very young age now about how to look in public. You only have to see him in interviews for the mask to slip slightly.

Further to the Marko article above about him challenging by mid-season Horner expects him to challenge Vettel immediately:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23953397

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Stop acting the fool! Your negative statements are just idiotic!
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