2014 season: how would it be?

[Daliracing]

I actually predicted a Button WDC in 2009

Who do you predict to win the WDC in 2014?

[dren]

I actually predicted a Button WDC in 2009

Who do you predict to win the WDC in 2014?

Sadly, Vettel. Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton and Nico will all be close but take points from each other. Button will mix it up on occasion.

But I could go out on a limb and say Magnussen...

[FoxHound]

Exhaust Blown Diffuser

Which seems to become a bit of a challenge with next year's chimney-like xhaust, but who knows?

What else can they blow? Will be a hard job for sure.
My guess is blowing is thing of the past, sadly.

[Daliracing]

I actually predicted a Button WDC in 2009

Who do you predict to win the WDC in 2014?

Sadly, Vettel. Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton and Nico will all be close but take points from each other. Button will mix it up on occasion.

But I could go out on a limb and say Magnussen...

very interesting i don't know that much of Magnussen but i think he need some luck to get it if he gets it. it would be nice to see a rookie like Hamilton was, fighting for the championship

[Manoah2u]

Exhaust Blown Diffuser

Which seems to become a bit of a challenge with next year's chimney-like xhaust, but who knows?

What else can they blow? Will be a hard job for sure.
My guess is blowing is thing of the past, sadly.

NEVER!

[mika vs michael]

During times of massive changes what matters is innovative minds...Well we all know that Redbull have the most innovative mind in the field. Newey+Renault engines...is a winning combination. They won't dominate the way they did 2013 and 2011, but in the end I think they''ll do it. Only challengers I can see is Mercedes or McLAren. Ferrari will need one year until it acclimatizes itself with the new regs etc. so for 2014
1. Redbull
2. Mercedes
3. McLaren

[Gerhard Berger]

Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.

How will the loss of exhaust blown diffusers bring red bull 'back' to the competition if they have been in
competition contineously since 2009 with winning every championship since 2010? essentially thus not
have been out of competition?

If any i'd say they'd be more subject to lose a lot of competitive speed due to the EBDs?

I might be wrong but from the context that was how I read it,
RB is in front of the competition and the loss of ebd might bring them back as in they will not be so
much in front

Pretty much. Look at the end of 2011 vs beginning of 2012. Red Bull went from dominating to being merely good. The only thing that changed were the exhaust regs. They of course found a way to recreate the effect of the EBD but it took them some time to perfect it.

[langwadt]

Who do you predict to win the WDC in 2014?

Sadly, Vettel. Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton and Nico will all be close but take points from each other. Button will mix it up on occasion.

But I could go out on a limb and say Magnussen...

very interesting i don't know that much of Magnussen but i think he need some luck to get it if he gets it. it would be nice to see a rookie like Hamilton was, fighting for the championship

He was very fast from the first time in the YDT having only run in the simulator before so he is a fast learner and next they all need to learn.
His father failed do make it when he had the chance in F1 I some how think that that might help Kevin having
someone close who know how not to do it

Next year with be hard for the drivers, I heard an interview with Marco Sørensen after he tried the Lotus 2014
simulator and he said it was extremely hard to drive, consistently getting the power down near impossible
compared to the 2013, but who knows how accurate the simulator is at this point

[CHT]

KERS will have a much bigger role in 2014. So if any front runner has got kers problem, they are most likely to be overtaken or even lapped by Marussia or Caterham.

[Juzh]

Pretty much. Look at the end of 2011 vs beginning of 2012. Red Bull went from dominating to being merely good. The only thing that changed were the exhaust regs. They of course found a way to recreate the effect of the EBD but it took them some time to perfect it.

There was much more to it than just loss of original EBD. A bunch of other "small" reg changes were implemented for 2012, all of which were pointed towards RB to clip their dominance.
Not to mention how merc warned fia of the potential loophole regarding EBD moments before winter testing began thus putting red bull on a significant back foot before 2012 even started.

[Gerhard Berger]

Pretty much. Look at the end of 2011 vs beginning of 2012. Red Bull went from dominating to being merely good. The only thing that changed were the exhaust regs. They of course found a way to recreate the effect of the EBD but it took them some time to perfect it.

There was much more to it than just loss of original EBD. A bunch of other "small" reg changes were implemented for 2012, all of which were pointed towards RB to clip their dominance.
Not to mention how merc warned fia of the potential loophole regarding EBD moments before winter testing began thus putting red bull on a significant back foot before 2012 even started.

The only other reg change i can think of was the load test on the front wing, which had always been progressively increased since 2010. The EBD was the most important thing they lost.

Merc warning the FIA about Red Bull trying to get around the exhaust regs through a loophole only backs up my point. They really need the EBD in some form to retain their competitive edge. Next year, they won't have it.

[dren]

Exhaust Blown Diffuser

Which seems to become a bit of a challenge with next year's chimney-like xhaust, but who knows?

What else can they blow? Will be a hard job for sure.
My guess is blowing is thing of the past, sadly.

Like I said on the first page, they'll all be blowing the turbine rather hard...

[Juzh]

Pretty much. Look at the end of 2011 vs beginning of 2012. Red Bull went from dominating to being merely good. The only thing that changed were the exhaust regs. They of course found a way to recreate the effect of the EBD but it took them some time to perfect it.

There was much more to it than just loss of original EBD. A bunch of other "small" reg changes were implemented for 2012, all of which were pointed towards RB to clip their dominance.
Not to mention how merc warned fia of the potential loophole regarding EBD moments before winter testing began thus putting red bull on a significant back foot before 2012 even started.

The only other reg change i can think of was the load test on the front wing, which had always been progressively increased since 2010. The EBD was the most important thing they lost.

Merc warning the FIA about Red Bull trying to get around the exhaust regs through a loophole only backs up my point. They really need the EBD in some form to retain their competitive edge. Next year, they won't have it.

2011 flexi front wing was worth a lot of lap time no question about it. Otherwise they wouldn't dump massive amounts of time, money and research into it year after year. For 2012 load tests were made more stringent and that was part of their performance loss. 2012 FW didn't flex (visually at least) at all as a result.
Mercedes warning fia just prior to winter testing put RB behind simply because they had to re-think their entire approach to exhausts and wasted a lot of development time.

There's no doubt RB relied heavily on ebd since 2011, but there were other factors present as well. I seriously doubt they'll make the same mistake twice.

[Harsha]

I don't think just because of the RBR Late Resurgence in 2012 means with every reg changes they will be like that.
EBD's are gone by 2011 end and still with Coanda Exhaust Ramp Newey and his Team Delivered a much better Aero car which is second to none.
He himself stated that the Changes to Aero for 2014 is not as big as 2009 changes, but we see how things pan out by March

[raymondu999]

I actually predicted a Button WDC in 2009

I actually gambled on it. Earned me a handsome payoff

My guess is blowing is thing of the past, sadly.

On the surface, exhaust blowing seems out of the question, yes. But never underestimate F1 designers. Especially Mr. A. Newey.