Double Points @ Final Race

[stuartpengs]

On the plus side, it should encourage teams to continue developing right through to the end of the season, instead of everyone but the top two calling it quits and concentrating on the next year's car.

Hi, I'm Stuart by the way.

[langwadt]

why not go back to the pointsystem where only the first 6 driver gain points? maybe then we will see more action fighting for points. in the past more drivers started a single gp then nowadays.

I think it would mean less action, since all cars 8 and lower would have little chance of gaining anything

[tim|away]

This thread appears to be filled with lots of emotions - understandably so. However, I will attempt to look at this from a slightly different angle even though I struggle at the moment to approve of this rule change.

For the audience, and therefore business, it is desirable to determine the champion as late as possible - preferrably in the last race. Doubling the points of the last race would certainly leave the outcome of the championship open for a bit longer, even if the season is being dominated by one driver. It is artificial, but it will keep the audience excited for longer whilst the money keeps flowing.

In addition to the extended suspense, one might speculate that higher fees could be demanded from the hosting country and maybe even from the TV companies for their licences to air the last race. Milk the cow as much as you can.

[Moxie]

If they feel so brave to make these changes, they should go for more "traditional" points awards, like points for pole position and fastest lap , or leading a race IMHO..they had so much more other possibilities, but then this crap come out of their heads....

I agree wholeheartedly. I only wish there was a way to award points for driving ones ass off in inferior equipment. I love to see Botas , Bianchi, Hulkenberg or Nakajima or even Button in a @#$%box of a McLaren step up and perform beyond all expectations. That kind of performance should be rewarded...but how?

[1158]

If they feel so brave to make these changes, they should go for more "traditional" points awards, like points for pole position and fastest lap , or leading a race IMHO..they had so much more other possibilities, but then this crap come out of their heads....

I agree wholeheartedly. I only wish there was a way to award points for driving ones ass off in inferior equipment. I love to see Botas , Bianchi, Hulkenberg or Nakajima or even Button in a @#$%box of a McLaren step up and perform beyond all expectations. That kind of performance should be rewarded...but how?

Add a point for every position gained in the race.

Driver who starts 10th but wins the race ends up with 34 points. I would suggest doing it based on qualifying position and not starting position (that way penalties are excluded and cannot be used to enhance potential points finishes). Also no negative points for those who finish below their starting position.

[CHT]

No so long ago, Bernie was saying that the driver with the most win should win the WDC. And now they are throwing a double point system to give the 2nd best driver a better chance of winning the WDC.

[flmkane]

I know it was brought up on this thread earlier, but is there anyway us fans can organize a way to let the FIA know exactly what we feel, regarding these changes?

I have my own two cents to offer as far as ideas are concerned, but I'd like to hear some suggestions before I start shooting my mouth off.

[flmkane]

Anyone else notice that not a single fan, or fan based group was consulted in this process?
There should be a transparency in the process rather than what is happening now.
FIA has now beyond dought crossed the line into comedy.

Why should they consult the fans? F1 isn't a democracy. You don't have any stake in the sport other than as a bystander.

But F1 has a stake in us. If we desert F1, then the main source of their revenue is history. And quite frankly they have been dissing us fans for about a decade now. We watch F1 on TV, we go to races, we fill Bernie's pockets, but instead of acknowledging our importance, he indirectly jacks up ticket prices, ignores us and tries to go attract NFS fans, and progressively ruins the spectacle each time he comes up with some crap idea (2005 single tyre rules, refueling ban, Pirelli tyres, now this points debacle).

Bernie is a powerful man, but ultimately we feed him money. We deserve more acknowledgement.

[Moxie]

But F1 has a stake in us. If we desert F1, then the main source of their revenue is history. And quite frankly they have been dissing us fans for about a decade now. We watch F1 on TV, we go to races, we fill Bernie's pockets, but instead of acknowledging our importance, he indirectly jacks up ticket prices, ignores us and tries to go attract NFS fans, and progressively ruins the spectacle each time he comes up with some crap idea (2005 single tyre rules, refueling ban, Pirelli tyres, now this points debacle).

Bernie is a powerful man, but ultimately we feed him money. We deserve more acknowledgement.

Sometimes powerful men are idiots. My attention has turned to sports cars. I do watch every F1 race, but if I could get equivalent coverage of the WEC I could easily let go of F1 just like I let go of NASCAR many years ago. I have become a big fan of Grand Am and am hoping that the Tudor USCC works out. I only have a limited amount of time to devote to watching racing anyway, and I don't want to watch a parade. I want to watch a competition, even if the cars are not high tech.

[nacho]

The potential for a disaster is clear, the team and driver who actually was more reliable, faster and finished higher on average can now finish lower in championship. What is the point in that?

It would be as justified to have a logarithmic scale on the points.

[Red Schneider]

I am not pleased by this rule change, but what you guys are apparently missing is that as long as you plan to watch next year, they do not care what you think.

At all.

[Hail22]

I am not pleased by this rule change, but what you guys are apparently missing is that as long as you plan to watch next year, they do not care what you think.

At all.

That is pretty much how I feel they are seeing this from afar, I can't make any sense of it at the present time. Would it be silly of me to say that Formula 1 is becoming "too" artificial?

[Red Schneider]

That is pretty much how I feel they are seeing this from afar, I can't make any sense of it at the present time. Would it be silly of me to say that Formula 1 is becoming "too" artificial?

What I'm saying is that whatever anyone says, F1 is an entertainment business. That means they want eyeballs.

Most people on this site are F1 diehards who will be watching next year whether they award 1x points or 10x points at the final race. In other words, if they already have your eyeballs, they don't care what you think.

If this change gets higher ratings for the end of the season then it's a win for them.

And really, as I think about it, the fact is that the rules are the same for everyone. Fair is fair. Would I vote for this rule change? Probably not. But is it a travesty? I'm starting to think maybe it isn't.

[mx_tifoso]

This takes the cake for me, I simple can't believe that this is the current state of F1.

I might still follow but I simply can't put anywhere near the same amount of effort as I once did. I love F1 for what it once was, but no longer for what it is and will be.

[flmkane]

I am not pleased by this rule change, but what you guys are apparently missing is that as long as you plan to watch next year, they do not care what you think.

At all.

Right, so let's all stop watching. Bernie is assuming that us "hardcore fans" will watch despite whatever madness that they implement, so he is assuming that he can afford to not give a damn about us.

WEC looks more fun anyway.

But we still need to let them know the extent of our displeasure. How?