The new V6 Turbo engine sounds

[CHT]

Bernie is panicking

Bernie Ecclestone has said Formula One will investigate ways of making the new machines sound "more like racing cars" as a matter of urgency.

Ecclestone has been against some of the swathe of rule changes, which have helped to make the car engines considerably quieter, and he found allies after the opening weekend of the season. In the aftermath of the Australian Grand Prix, organisers made clear their view that quieter cars equates to a less sexy sport.

That in itself might not have mattered had they not also hinted they might sue as well, saying the product was "not what we paid for" and said it would be an issue "for all promoters all round the world".

That gave Ecclestone the ammunition he needed. "I was not horrified by the noise," he said. "I was horrified by the lack of it. Ron [Walker, the chief of the Australian Grand Prix] is right with regards to their contract. And I was sorry to be proved right with what I've said all along; these cars don't sound like racing cars. I've been speaking with Jean [Todt, president of the FIA] this afternoon and what I've said is that we need to see whether there is some way of making them sound like racing cars.

"I don't know whether it's possible but we should investigate. I think let's get the first few races out of the way and then maybe look to do something. We can't wait all season. It could be too late by then."

Ecclestone said that other promoters had been in touch to express their concerns. "I spoke to [Ferrari president] Luca di Montezemolo just now and Luca said he's never had as many emails complaining and saying this isn't Formula One."

[hollus]

Mandatory microphones in the monkey seat. Solved. They might get sued when TVs start exploding, though.

[example]

Adding microphones would be stupid. It is what it is, deal with it.

[astracrazy]

Bernie is panicking

No his not, he has said quiet simply that if he gets less from the promoters then so will the teams as they get a % of the revenue.

If its a problem for him its a problem for the teams (and will most likely be more of a problem for them)

Quiet simply put, if tracks start negotiating down on there contracts then Bernie has the teams over a barrel and could quiet easily F*** them up the arse.

I'm pretty sure the teams will see the sound as more of a problem when they will be losing money because of it

source: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/92 ... old-you-so

[danielk]

So taking these comments from Bernie what actually can be done to increase sound?

Yes there is a microphone but it seems way too artificial.

Larger exhausts? would that make much difference?

Higher fuel flow rate?

Anything other than a microphone would appear to mean tinkering with the engines. But that would mean they would have to remove the engine freeze to allow changes to be made. And i assume it would be fairly expensive. The whole reason the cars are so quiet is because they are not wasting energy using sound.

I assume they will sound a little better in the likes of Monaco due to the sound reverberating of the walls and buildings.

any thoughts on how this might be achieved?

[Richard]

Bernie is forever saying his going to investigate something. It's his way of keeping people on their toes while also keeping F1 in the news.

Also there is a big difference between saying there will be a problem if something happens as opposed to saying the problem has happened.

As far as I can tell the hype around the new technology far exceeds the potential PR downside about the sound. Anyway, competitiveness and public interest in driver personalities is a much bigger driver of tickets sales and TV audiences than dB.

[Vettel Maggot]

As far as I can tell the hype around the new technology far exceeds the potential PR downside about the sound. Anyway, competitiveness and public interest in driver personalities is a much bigger driver of tickets sales and TV audiences than dB.

What hype? What personalities? You are wrong, the lack of sound will keep people away. I'm afraid the drivers have no personalities anymore, they are nothing more than media savvy corporate robots. Also I failed to see much competitiveness on Sunday. I hope they sort this out, F1 needs noise, it's the signature of the sport.

[Sulman]

As far as I can tell the hype around the new technology far exceeds the potential PR downside about the sound. Anyway, competitiveness and public interest in driver personalities is a much bigger driver of tickets sales and TV audiences than dB.

What hype? What personalities? You are wrong, the lack of sound will keep people away. I'm afraid the drivers have no personalities anymore, they are nothing more than media savvy corporate robots. Also I failed to see much competitiveness on Sunday. I hope they sort this out, F1 needs noise, it's the signature of the sport.

You missed Bottas carving his way forward twice? Ricciardo keeping his RB10 in second?

It's amazing to me what change does to perception. F1 is the same as it's ever been.

[danielk]

As far as I can tell the hype around the new technology far exceeds the potential PR downside about the sound. Anyway, competitiveness and public interest in driver personalities is a much bigger driver of tickets sales and TV audiences than dB.

What hype? What personalities? You are wrong, the lack of sound will keep people away. I'm afraid the drivers have no personalities anymore, they are nothing more than media savvy corporate robots. Also I failed to see much competitiveness on Sunday. I hope they sort this out, F1 needs noise, it's the signature of the sport.

You missed Bottas carving his way forward twice? Ricciardo keeping his RB10 in second?

It's amazing to me what change does to perception. F1 is the same as it's ever been.

i appreciated the quality of racing etc and the drama within the race. wasnt super exciting but was a few bits going off and is wasnt too processional. However the fact remains that i didnt feel that same level of excitement.

There was something lacking during the race (apart from Hamilton).

The sound of the V8s added an extra dimension to the raceing, The Mrs used to roll over in bed hear the sound of the F1 cars and go back to sleep knowing to leave me to watch the race.

But NO!! She came downstairs sat beside me and said "i wondered where you were, i forgot it was an F1 weekend I usually hear them all weekend long" She then proceeded to sit next to me and talk while the race was on. do you realize what pain this caused me!! Of previous years she would run at the sound of a V8 engine. but NOOOO Now she can tolerate the sound

please please please do something to make these cars louder so the Mrs cannot stand them again

[CHT]

Bernie is panicking

No his not, he has said quiet simply that if he gets less from the promoters then so will the teams as they get a % of the revenue.

If its a problem for him its a problem for the teams (and will most likely be more of a problem for them)

Quiet simply put, if tracks start negotiating down on there contracts then Bernie has the teams over a barrel and could quiet easily F*** them up the arse.

I'm pretty sure the teams will see the sound as more of a problem when they will be losing money because of it

source: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/92 ... old-you-so

AFAIK teams only get to share a percentage of the TV revenue, what bernie is talking about here is the potential loss of revenue from track side advertisement and hosting fees.

[astracrazy]

As far as I can tell the hype around the new technology far exceeds the potential PR downside about the sound. Anyway, competitiveness and public interest in driver personalities is a much bigger driver of tickets sales and TV audiences than dB.

What hype? What personalities? You are wrong, the lack of sound will keep people away. I'm afraid the drivers have no personalities anymore, they are nothing more than media savvy corporate robots. Also I failed to see much competitiveness on Sunday. I hope they sort this out, F1 needs noise, it's the signature of the sport.

You missed Bottas carving his way forward twice? Ricciardo keeping his RB10 in second?

It's amazing to me what change does to perception. F1 is the same as it's ever been.

your using someone who was dsq for running illegally as a reason to hype up the new formula?

@CHT
I think the teams get a share of all revenue now? that's what his hinting i think because the interview i posted is about track promoters? I may be wrong

"We give the teams a percentage of the revenue we receive. So if we are receiving less revenue, whatever the case may be, certainly the teams wouldn't get as much. So it's going to cost them."

[bosanac1]

Isn't it too late?

What could they do to fix it without opening the regulations?



Microphone on exhaust.

[Shakeman]

Wnhile FOM does not take it down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Take a look at the 2013 video, look at all those ear defenders being worn, doesn't look like many people there wanted to hear the unfettered sound of the V8 while watching the race.

My guess is that the 2014 engine while being plenty loud enough is a lot more pleasurable to listen to trackside than the 2013 engines.

[G-Rock]

I think they sound more masculine than the V8s. Nothing like the V10s and V12s of the 90's though.
I remember seeing the turbo era in Detroit and it was as spine tingling as the natural asp engines that came after. They sounded like a swarm of bees as they came towards you.
We are in a new era and better to just go along with it and enjoy the racing.

[heidenreich27]

Cant they creats v12 motor 22K RPM

That would be insane hahah