Scuderia Ferrari 2014

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Kansas wrote:anyone has the picture of ferrari 's new suspension built for Kimi enquiries?
I don't think they've designed and built new suspension just for Kimi, they do need to spend more time tuning it to suit his style though, either was you wont be able to see anything different on the car.
If anything it'll just be steering modifications and rack upgrades, he hates and slack or lag in the steering system and he's very particular about having lots of good feedback through the wheel.

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PhillipM wrote:
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Kansas wrote:anyone has the picture of ferrari 's new suspension built for Kimi enquiries?
I don't think they've designed and built new suspension just for Kimi, they do need to spend more time tuning it to suit his style though, either was you wont be able to see anything different on the car.
If anything it'll just be steering modifications and rack upgrades, he hates and slack or lag in the steering system and he's very particular about having lots of good feedback through the wheel.
The absolute opposite of Fernando in that area. Interesting how it can be relevant in future ierations of the car.

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Postmoe wrote:
PhillipM wrote:
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
I don't think they've designed and built new suspension just for Kimi, they do need to spend more time tuning it to suit his style though, either was you wont be able to see anything different on the car.
If anything it'll just be steering modifications and rack upgrades, he hates and slack or lag in the steering system and he's very particular about having lots of good feedback through the wheel.
The absolute opposite of Fernando in that area. Interesting how it can be relevant in future ierations of the car.
Nobody ever said that Fernando likes a lack of feel. He just prefers a car that under steers slightly more than most with front end grip being progressive so he can feel the limit but enough of that. Off topic.

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trinidefender wrote:
Postmoe wrote:
The absolute opposite of Fernando in that area. Interesting how it can be relevant in future ierations of the car.
Nobody ever said that Fernando likes a lack of feel. He just prefers a car that under steers slightly more than most with front end grip being progressive so he can feel the limit but enough of that. Off topic.
Well, the opposite of Rakkonen is not somebody that likes a very picky lack of feel, but somebody that doesn't care about these things.

Fernando is known for being very adaptative and sometimes in a bad way, as he will race the car anyway saying it's fine if the car is raceable. I don't remember exactly where I got that, but it has been more than a couple of times, and from his former engineers.

Former engineers of Kimmi have said just the contrary. He will go back to his hospitality without fringing if the car is low on certain specificities he wants. I think it hapenned recently at Renault.

This could influence the way next developments are dealt, because they will have a very different feedback from one of the drivers, asking for key elements that are very specific and even counter-intuuitive. Kubica had that too.

Not off topic, because I'm not focusing my atention on the drivers, but on the type of feedback they tend to give.

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Postmoe wrote:
trinidefender wrote:
Postmoe wrote:
The absolute opposite of Fernando in that area. Interesting how it can be relevant in future ierations of the car.
Nobody ever said that Fernando likes a lack of feel. He just prefers a car that under steers slightly more than most with front end grip being progressive so he can feel the limit but enough of that. Off topic.
Well, the opposite of Rakkonen is not somebody that likes a very picky lack of feel, but somebody that doesn't care about these things.

Fernando is known for being very adaptative and sometimes in a bad way, as he will race the car anyway saying it's fine if the car is raceable. I don't remember exactly where I got that, but it has been more than a couple of times, and from his former engineers.

Former engineers of Kimmi have said just the contrary. He will go back to his hospitality without fringing if the car is low on certain specificities he wants. I think it hapenned recently at Renault.

This could influence the way next developments are dealt, because they will have a very different feedback from one of the drivers, asking for key elements that are very specific and even counter-intuuitive. Kubica had that too.

Not off topic, because I'm not focusing my atention on the drivers, but on the type of feedback they tend to give.
That doesn't mean he doesn't like a car a certain way. It simply means he is adaptable and just gets on with the job regardless if it suits his preferences or not. He is a very adaptable driver which is one reason I rate him as probably the best driver on the grid right now overall. Kimmi on the other hand is, as you said, very particular. The way I see it is that if they built the car around car around kimmi's style then Fernando would still "drive it like he stole it."

Question about the car though. I'm slightly confused about the Ferrari F14T. Is it slightly under steers on high speed corners or low speed corners or am I way off?

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Im sure f14t is not gonna win a race this year. The traction f14t is super horrible

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heidenreich27 wrote:Im sure f14t is not gonna win a race this year. The traction f14t is super horrible
The 2009 Ferrari won a race, besides, you're overstating the traction issues.
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if they dont win a gp this year, it would be 21 years before at 1993, since they didnt win atleast one GP in a season
A win less year has only occurred for 9 times since 1950 (in 64 f1 seasons) :o
and they have been on atleast one podium on every year since 1950 :o
amazing records and facts :wink:

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Yeah, i don't get thier mechanical grip issues. I'm presuming thier getting good downforce....cause their good if high speed corners.

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diffuser wrote:Yeah, i don't get thier mechanical grip issues. I'm presuming thier getting good downforce....cause their good if high speed corners.
Good downforce at high speeds doesn`t mean good downforce até los speeds. Traction problema can also come from power delivery issues - too much torque too suddenlly!

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Is it still too early for Allison to have had influence on the updates for China, or will his input only start surfacing by the Europe leg and beyond?
Watching F1 since 1986.

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https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/45 ... 04/photo/1

Playful attitude in the ferrari crew as somebody puts the words from a 70s trash italian song on Hamashima's tyre temperature notes
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Well, this year is officially over for Ferrari.

As sad as it is, but losing 32 seconds (!) in 10 laps to the Mercedes after the SC is 3.2s a lap slower (!), there is no way they can find anything to close that gap this year with the frozen engine.

Also they were both a sitting duck on the straights for all Mercedes powered teams, the FIs and Wiliams' could just breeze past them with ease :(

And they are also slower than the RedBulls :(

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Ganxxta wrote:Well, this year is officially over for Ferrari.

As sad as it is, but losing 32 seconds (!) in 10 laps to the Mercedes after the SC is 3.2s a lap slower (!), there is no way they can find anything to close that gap this year with the frozen engine.

Also they were both a sitting duck on the straights for all Mercedes powered teams, the FIs and Wiliams' could just breeze past them with ease :(

And they are also slower than the RedBulls :(
Your concluding that after 3 races? Maybe if this was the Europe part of F1 races, I give it to you. Let's see what Shanghai shows where the rumored China upgrades are coming.

I admit you can see that the F14T car lacks power. We were sitting ducks compared to mercedes party teams in defending.