Infiniti Red Bull Racing 2014

[djos]

If RB and Infiniti are going to make the investment it would make much more sense to do it in England. Why would they buy Viry that is located in France?

Who says it will stay in France after Infinity RBR buys it? There is a new RBR technology center built in England currently...

IMO Buying Renault's F1 PU IP etc (not the building) and moving everything to england under RB Tech would make the most sense - that way they can legitimately build a new PU from scratch and slap on an Infiniti badge without having any of the current Renault PU's baggage.

Also IMO Honda did the smart thing by waiting till 2015 to introduce their PU, this has given the the ability to see which is the most successful approach (Merc's whacking great big turbine separated by the MGU-H etc) and they can likely show up and be competitive from day 1.

[30yrF1Fan]

IMO Buying Renault's F1 PU IP etc (not the building) and moving everything to england under RB Tech would make the most sense - that way they can legitimately build a new PU from scratch and slap on an Infiniti badge without having any of the current Renault PU's baggage.

Also IMO Honda did the smart thing by waiting till 2015 to introduce their PU, this has given the the ability to see which is the most successful approach (Merc's whacking great big turbine separated by the MGU-H etc) and they can likely show up and be competitive from day 1.

I agree, buy the IP (designs, blue prints, etc) along with an existing facility in England (Cosworth?). There is a lot of specialized equipment needed to design and produce and engine (dynos, etc). I don't think starting from scratch with the RB tech center would be the way to go.

Honda should get it right after seeing what is good and not good.

[Juzh]

Vettel's retirement was supposedly a caused by an FIA related software issue according to renault. Equipment forced upon you by the regulating body causing dnfs is simply unacceptable.

source: tj13

[FoxHound]

That same software is also used by Ferrari and Mercedes powered teams, correct?

[Thunder]

The Software is written by the Engine Manufacturers and the Teams. If it was a Software Bug it is solely a Renault/RedBull Problem and not a failure of the standardised Hardware.

[jagunx51]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11406267730 ... er-renault

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[gandharva]

I agree, buy the IP (designs, blue prints, etc) along with an existing facility in England (Cosworth?). There is a lot of specialized equipment needed to design and produce and engine (dynos, etc). I don't think starting from scratch with the RB tech center would be the way to go.

Of course it is. Completely new fab + modern high end tools and hardware. They just need to move over all IP and all the people in key positions. That's like a new playground for engineers.

[Cam]

IMO Buying Renault's F1 PU IP etc (not the building) and moving everything to england under RB Tech would make the most sense - that way they can legitimately build a new PU from scratch and slap on an Infiniti badge without having any of the current Renault PU's baggage.

That's certainly one way around the regulations - and if any team has really mastered that, it's Red Bull. They could do it each year, couldn't they?

Engine freeze? What engine freeze?

[djos]

IMO Buying Renault's F1 PU IP etc (not the building) and moving everything to england under RB Tech would make the most sense - that way they can legitimately build a new PU from scratch and slap on an Infiniti badge without having any of the current Renault PU's baggage.

That's certainly one way around the regulations - and if any team has really mastered that, it's Red Bull. They could do it each year, couldn't they?

Engine freeze? What engine freeze?

Lol, to do it on a yearly basis would surely cause the FIA to change the regs to prevent it - doing it once would be fair enuf tho because it a legitimate change of ownership etc.

[Cam]

yep, it's farcical, but it does illustrate how there's a way around everything and a change of regs wouldn't prevent it - without also preventing or hindering new engine manufactures coming on-board. You could sell the IP every 3 months if you wanted. Red Bull don't sell engines, so what would it matter what their engine is called. You could have the "Marko Big Block", followed by the "Honer Special", followed by the "Newey Bluey" all within 3 months of each other - all legal under the regs and all of it helping the Red Bull brand. It's actually really smart.

Same could not be said for Merc and co, could it? Anything other than a self branded engine would not do.

The FIA determines the sandbox - all the teams can do is play within it.

[djos]

Lol, I can't see it happening but it sure as heck would be funny!

We could also have Ferrari powered by Maserati and it that donk is no good it could be a Fiat or Dodge SRT power plant!

[Cam]

lol - yep, you got it. No matter how crazy that sounds, what if it was an option?

All this does is reinforce the fact that the rule makers need to stop, think, test, trial, then apply new rules. Taking one step back further, they should ask themselves what the rules are really trying to achieve. Preventing someone from developing a component, when that component is 9/10's of the total performance, is going to force people to find ways around it. As the rules become tighter and tighter, the sport is left with no choice but to find performance through lawyers...... think about that for a moment.

You might as well have the guy in black robes and white wig next to Rosberg to collect the trophy.....

[Wayne DR]

Of course it is. Completely new fab + modern high end tools and hardware. They just need to move over all IP and all the people in key positions. That's like a new playground for engineers.

Modern high end tools and hardware = 3D printers. As Red Bull seem to have already embraced 3D printing, I believe that is the way they would go.

The only cast/machined item would be the ICE block, and possibly the heads. You can 3D print everything else in Aluminium, Titanium or Stainless Steel. The beauty of 3D printing an item, is no internal stresses!

[djos]

lol - yep, you got it. No matter how crazy that sounds, what if it was an option?

All this does is reinforce the fact that the rule makers need to stop, think, test, trial, then apply new rules. Taking one step back further, they should ask themselves what the rules are really trying to achieve. Preventing someone from developing a component, when that component is 9/10's of the total performance, is going to force people to find ways around it. As the rules become tighter and tighter, the sport is left with no choice but to find performance through lawyers...... think about that for a moment.

You might as well have the guy in black robes and white wig next to Rosberg to collect the trophy.....

Indeed, I think the whole development freeze on an incredibly complicated PU before they are even raced is simply a farce!

The FIA would have been better mandating a system where by everyone had 12 months of racing to develop their PU before it got frozen (this would help new OEM's come in later like Honda etc without locking them in with an under-developed PU). To contain costs they could have had the current 5 race PU Component life rule that exists now and if you change parts you get sent to the back of the grid. It'd spice up the racing even more too!

[Jano11]

Of course it is. Completely new fab + modern high end tools and hardware. They just need to move over all IP and all the people in key positions. That's like a new playground for engineers.

Modern high end tools and hardware = 3D printers. As Red Bull seem to have already embraced 3D printing, I believe that is the way they would go.

The only cast/machined item would be the ICE block, and possibly the heads. You can 3D print everything else in Aluminium, Titanium or Stainless Steel. The beauty of 3D printing an item, is no internal stresses!

3D printers do not yet achieve the same surface quality as machined parts do.
Same goes for the strength of the parts.
At this moment in time 3D printers are great for creating prototype parts for various assembly tests, but that is where it stops right now as far as F1 is concerned.