Return Of The Mighty V-10?

[FoxHound]

The manufacturers' interest is dependent on certain xecutives chance to mingle with glamour and half naked babes if you ask me.

Zetsche's moustache contradicts your assertion

[xpensive]

What do you know, it might be a very efficient w*mb-broom?

[FoxHound]

What do you know, it might be a very efficient w*mb-broom?

Only to the most needy of orifices.

[McLobby]

Bernie is no stupid. He obviously knows what he's talking about.
Global Tv ratings decline
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one ... gs-decline
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f ... tid=173151
ratings in Italy halved (from 4,1m to 2,4m on RAI): http://www.speedweek...und-Ostern.html

I am not blaming it only to the sound, but also to the stupid rules, but the new engines have had their part in this
That's why Bernie suggested that.

The average viewer is a petrolhead, a car enthusiast and not an eco - technology geek.
The money come in-directly from the average viewer, why he has to pay for all this technology research? that should be a goal for the car industry only.
F1 is not greenpeace. ( that makes me sound like a jerk? )
Imagine the new Lampo with an eco friendly quiet 1.6l v6, even if it pulled 1000hp, who would want that?
Even the new era hybrids, P1 and 918 still have an orgasmic sound from their V8s.

Either you like it or not, a high rev screaming v8+ has always been the trademark of F1 and what brought excitement to the average fan, who is not so loyal like us. We would watch our favorite drivers and teams compete even if they were riding bicycles.

[kooleracer]

The sound of F1 is important to the average F1 fan. People that are on forums like this aren't your average F1 fan. You average F1 fan only watches qualifying and the race and that is the mass market and thats the market Bernie would like to appeal to. On the other hand you have the manufacturers that want road relevant technology. Turbo engines seem the way to go in road cars nowadays to achieve efficiency. So I can't imagine the manufactures getting rid of turbocharged engines. A V6 turbocharged engine without the hybrid part would lower the cost and bring back to sound. Because the MGU-H muffles the exhaust sound to almost no noise. So F1 V6 turbo 1.6L with MGU-K only and without a rev limiter or a fuel flow limit but only a max fuel allowance of 125kg a race. That should bring back the sound to keep Bernie and the majority of the F1 fans happy. And the keep the manufacturers happy keep Bernie should keep the MGU-K.

They already have developed the engine the turbo and the MGU-K the only need to abandon the MGU-H and the change the exhaust rules to allow more exhaust pipes. And change the fuel capacity and abandon the fuelflow limit. The turbo pressure shouldn't be regulated, so that becomes the main focus of development. The manufactures need to build high pressure turbochargers but they need to last 5 races so their is no need to limit pressure in the regulation. Same apply's for the rev limit.

With to those rule changes, the majority of the F1 fans will be happy, the lack of MGU-H will lower the cost because the H part is really expansive, F1 cars will have 1000hp or even more and the manufactures and the techgeeks will still have efficiency and road relevant technology but as a result everyone can enjoy F1 again. Their is absolutely no need for an ancient V10. Turbocharged can produce enough noise as history has already showed us. F1 will use a little more fuel but I think only small majority of the fans actually even care about the fuel use.

[J.A.W.]

& if F1 unbanned 2-strokes, & given the firing rate being twice as frequent, then even a fairly low-rpm
high pressure turbo mill would produce that exciting high speed screeching sound quality we all miss...

[ParkerArt]

...Either you like it or not, a high rev screaming v8+ has always been the trademark of F1 and what brought excitement to the average fan, who is not so loyal like us...

Really? The most power engines in F1 were 1.5L turbocharged L-4s and V-6s. The darling car of the whole internet is the all conquering 1988 MP4/4; a 1.5L V6-T with less than 650hp in race trim.

[F1NAC]

I just don't get it. Who tought that freezing engines before actually running them in real conditions can be good? Just postpone homologation date and remove tokens. It's really silly, like those games on facebook. You can do something until you run out of lives and then waiting for recharging

[Jonnycraig]

At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, F1 needs competition to retain viewers. By competition I mean Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull, and maybe even A N Other able to turn up for the race weekends without everyone knowing who will win beforehand.

To the likes of us F1 geeks who post on forums with excitement about a driver cutting their second sector time by 0.067, a dominant team is palatable as we can find other things to be excited about, but we are in the minority of F1 viewers.

The average F1 viewer who flicks over on a Sunday afternoon wants to see exciting racing for the win between several teams, and the most dominant season in decades on that front means that unfortunately desperate measures will have to be taken to level things up. It's not fair on Mercedes, just as the litany of attempts to slow Red Bull weren't fair but ultimately F1 is a business first and a sport second.

[Andres125sx]

Bernie is no stupid. He obviously knows what he's talking about.
Global Tv ratings decline
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one ... gs-decline
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f ... tid=173151
ratings in Italy halved (from 4,1m to 2,4m on RAI): http://www.speedweek...und-Ostern.html

I am not blaming it only to the sound, but also to the stupid rules, but the new engines have had their part in this
That's why Bernie suggested that.

The average viewer is a petrolhead, a car enthusiast and not an eco - technology geek.
The money come in-directly from the average viewer, why he has to pay for all this technology research? that should be a goal for the car industry only.
F1 is not greenpeace. ( that makes me sound like a jerk? )
Imagine the new Lampo with an eco friendly quiet 1.6l v6, even if it pulled 1000hp, who would want that?
Even the new era hybrids, P1 and 918 still have an orgasmic sound from their V8s.

Either you like it or not, a high rev screaming v8+ has always been the trademark of F1 and what brought excitement to the average fan, who is not so loyal like us. We would watch our favorite drivers and teams compete even if they were riding bicycles.

True, but you´re ignoring that trend is not new for this seasson...



So it obviously is not due to new engines/rules, there´re more problems. Maybe new engines didn´t help, agree, but pointing the engines as the main problem is far from accurate

If you look at this graph in detail, the only seassons with some increase in audience numbers, or at least with no drop, have been those seassons where there was competitiveness, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012. The rest of the seassons there have been no competition with some team dominating (Ferrari, Brawn, Red Bull and now Mercedes) and those seassons match exactly the dropping graph, so IMO the main problem is quite obvious, lack of competitiveness

Engines have not been the solution, but they´re not the problem either

[adrianjordan]

Could you include BBC viewing figures etc in that graph too?

From talking to fans I know, they've found the BBC highlights to be excellent so haven't bothered with Sky F1 any more...

[Manoah2u]

Could you include BBC viewing figures etc in that graph too?

From talking to fans I know, they've found the BBC highlights to be excellent so haven't bothered with Sky F1 any more...

That's funny, for me it's reversed. I think BBC commentary has become worthless and most of all I can't stand Eddie Jordan and that clueless lady. I can only appreciate David Coulthard but even then the entire show just annoys me. I'd watch Sky a thousand times over BBC. And that's from somebody who used to praise and adore the BBC before. It's just not what it was anymore.

[Just_a_fan]

Can't stand Eddie Jordan. Suzie Perry is on it as a bit of eye candy for the middle-aged male viewer (as she used to do the bike coverage when she was younger and always wore tight leathers - someone now in charge obviously liked her back then... )

DC has some relevancy as a recent-ish driver.

Most of the time I don't bother with the pre-race stuff anyway. I generally turn on the TV 5 minutes before the race is due to start.

[hansenracingdk]

Hi all,

I have been attending Spa races for a long time, but this year, the essential thing in F1 was missing - THE SOUND

I was amazed how little it was, and how important it is, when you are attending live. You couldnt even hear them coming

It can't be right for the pinnacle of the sport, to have a noise level so low, thats maybe only 30-40% of what a GP3 car makes of noise.
The noise from the GP2 cars was suddenly tremendously high, but last year, GP2 sound was only "half" of what the F1 V8 was like.

I just thought that the noise from F1 cars, a big thing, also for VIP people visiting for the first time, and the BIG WOW FACTOR.
Am I wrong here ?

I couldnt care less which type of engine they use, as long as they keep, or get above the noise level of the recent years (and not 2014), so can we please have BIG NOISE BACK, THANKS [-o<

I, and many I now, wont come back live, before the NOISE IS BACK.

Sorry for the rant for getting racing sound back

[hansenracingdk]

Could you include BBC viewing figures etc in that graph too?

From talking to fans I know, they've found the BBC highlights to be excellent so haven't bothered with Sky F1 any more...

That's funny, for me it's reversed. I think BBC commentary has become worthless and most of all I can't stand Eddie Jordan and that clueless lady. I can only appreciate David Coulthard but even then the entire show just annoys me. I'd watch Sky a thousand times over BBC. And that's from somebody who used to praise and adore the BBC before. It's just not what it was anymore.

Agree, Sky is on it.