Force India VJM08 Mercedes

[Gridlock]

It's mandatory afaik, so that team radio rules can be equally applied to all teams.

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[RP F1]

Hi,

I agree that there are search functions and everything but won't it be better if we can see all the results directly as a base at the start of the season?
For 3 cars we search same stuff at 3 different forums, but I think will be better if we had all 3 here at one place and then compare changes in vjm08 from there on. As this is the start so you can track these more efficiently. As I said I am new I thought if someone can do that.

-RP

[Manoah2u]

so you want everything chewed out?

here you go

2015 comparison thread http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 12&t=21406 [you can use your imagination and filtre out the non-merc powerd cars, can't be that hard]

williams thread http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 12&t=21386
force india thread http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 12&t=21630
mercedes thread http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 12&t=21388
lotus thread http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 12&t=21396

go ahead and read every thread and every reply in those 5 links then see if your question hasn't been answered.

didn't even cost the search function, just needed to browse in this very subforum fcol

[RP F1]

Thankyou!

[Racer X]

Is it known if Nico did a race simulation? Or Sergio?

Did either of them try put the car in a low fuel qualifying set up.


Because that would help know more about the car.
Williams was fast but they achieved this with low fuel set up.

So Ferrari could be faster then Williams or RedBull we Dont know if they pushed or not.

For that matter it would help get an idea if Force inifa Pushed or not. If Force india did race simulation and got those times then the car is fast. B t I also wouldn't be surprised if Force India has more rave pace then qualifyin speed. That seems to be the norm.

[RP F1]

Hi,

I think they are genuinely slow this season and both drivers have admitted that. It will take them a few races to get things right.

Also 1 more thing I donot like about them is the conservative approach on tyre management. So even though they have better race pace if you start from 12-13 on grid there are very few chances that they will get a podium. Then you stay as a midfield team as always.
I think they should be aggressive as Williams was previous year. So Williams lost to FI in Bahrain on tyre management but improved it along the season and eventually went ahead in standings (along with other upgrades). Whereas with the conservative FI strategy they kept on falling behind.

-RP

[RP F1]

Hey OB
thanks man for the pics!

I was checking out the visible differences in FW37/W06 and VJM08 apart from the differences in front and rear wings, here are some:

1) Side views of all 3 clearly indicate the VJM08 is fatter (around NEC ad) whereas others have reduced body work and are maintaining regulations with fins allowing more air for rear wings




2) VJM08 features ear like cooling ducts which we saw on W05.

whereas Mercedes themselves have got a new design for W06 in place which I personally like :

requires less body and does the same job, Also the support for hoop is very small as compared to vjm08's 2 bigger supports.
FW37 on the other hand does not have any, not sure how they cool the rear. Also they have a big gap under the hoop itself for cooling


In Germany 2014 Force India tried a tighter body work without the extra cooling ducts on hoop and gear box coolers on sidepods, thought they will try to bring it back for 2015 not sure what happened with that design?

3) FW37 rear wing has no central support like 2014:


VJM08 has 1 and W06 has 2. May be a small advantage to FW37 on straights.

4) VJM08 has some new development at the rear exhaust flow


This seems to be different from FW37 and W06

FW37's looks like a smaller version/prototype of the rear wings itself, wonder if they get benefits of that design ?

Not sure which one is better

What do you guys think where can VJM08 be improved by comparisons...let's see if they change anything and probably bring the 2014 slim body work used in testing in Germany back?

-RP

[tomazy]

VJM08 has 1 and W06 has 2. May be a small advantage to FW37 on straights.

Both W06 and FW37 have gotten single pillar mount for the rear wing in the updates for Barcelona tests.

[michaelclarke]

Hey OB
thanks man for the pics!

I was checking out the visible differences in FW37/W06 and VJM08 apart from the differences in front and rear wings, here are some:

1) Side views of all 3 clearly indicate the VJM08 is fatter (around NEC ad) whereas others have reduced body work and are maintaining regulations with fins allowing more air for rear wings
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... pvjmty.jpg
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... llitop.jpg
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... w06top.jpg

2) VJM08 features ear like cooling ducts which we saw on W05.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... pVJMui.jpg http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... ercw1b.jpg
whereas Mercedes themselves have got a new design for W06 in place which I personally like :
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... upw05d.jpg
requires less body and does the same job, Also the support for hoop is very small as compared to vjm08's 2 bigger supports.
FW37 on the other hand does not have any, not sure how they cool the rear. Also they have a big gap under the hoop itself for cooling
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... willi1.jpg

In Germany 2014 Force India tried a tighter body work without the extra cooling ducts on hoop and gear box coolers on sidepods, thought they will try to bring it back for 2015 not sure what happened with that design?

3) FW37 rear wing has no central support like 2014:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... willi8.jpg

VJM08 has 1 and W06 has 2. May be a small advantage to FW37 on straights.

4) VJM08 has some new development at the rear exhaust flow
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... upvjm2.jpg

This seems to be different from FW37 and W06
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... illi34.jpg
FW37's looks like a smaller version/prototype of the rear wings itself, wonder if they get benefits of that design ?
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... upw06y.jpg
Not sure which one is better

What do you guys think where can VJM08 be improved by comparisons...let's see if they change anything and probably bring the 2014 slim body work used in testing in Germany back?

-RP

Nice analysis, just one thing that tomazy mentioned, Williams and Mercedes have moved to the single pillar rear wing support solution.

[Godius]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/572722696968130560 https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/572723703399784448

Hey OB
thanks man for the pics!

4) VJM08 has some new development at the rear exhaust flow
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... upvjm2.jpg

This seems to be different from FW37 and W06
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... illi34.jpg
FW37's looks like a smaller version/prototype of the rear wings itself, wonder if they get benefits of that design ?
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-c ... upw06y.jpg
Not sure which one is better

What do you guys think where can VJM08 be improved by comparisons...let's see if they change anything and probably bring the 2014 slim body work used in testing in Germany back?

-RP

This is not a new development, in fact this monkey seat that we have seen in Barcelona is an old feature of the VJM06/07 (before it got replaced by the newer model mid-season), keep in mind that they didn't run a monkey seat in Barcelona test 1 with the VJM07. Personally I expect a a complete different monkey seat for in Melbourne for the VJM08 or the latest version that they used on the VJM07:

They ran without the monkey seat yesterday:

Belgium 2014 - Thursday (21.08.2014)



auto-motor-und-sport.de

New monkey seat by the look of it.

And about the engine cover, they have indeed tried to slim it down but I think that they need a complete redesign of the rear packaging to achieve that with proper cooling results. If they have enough money to developed it in cologne we might see a B-spec version of the car mid-season.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/453

[weirdlife]

Who is this mysterious Red Bull guy (Guru) that's assisting Force India with the VJM08b according to AMuS ??

[paddyf1]

Who is this mysterious Red Bull guy (Guru) that's assisting Force India with the VJM08b according to AMuS ??

Do you have a link for this ????

[weirdlife]

Who is this mysterious Red Bull guy (Guru) that's assisting Force India with the VJM08b according to AMuS ??

Do you have a link for this ????

Here you go :http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 99225.html

Maybe my translation was off...but the last para had the below

For the season to start the Mexicans did not expect much. "I really hope to a good start, but it is difficult. From the third or fourth race we want to fight for the points." For the GP in China, the third race of the year, Force India is planning the first major reconstruction. For GP Silverstone (9 races) should be followed by a B version. In return, Force India has brought reinforcements. Red Bull is the second chief aerodynamicist ran over. His first name: Guru.

[SectorOne]

I read that as they have hired Red Bull's second chief aerodynamicist and not some bloke from red bull just helping out.
Maybe someone from germany can let us know exactly what it says.

[Thunder]

I read that as they have hired Red Bull's second chief aerodynamicist and not some bloke from red bull just helping out.
Maybe someone from germany can let us know exactly what it says.

That is correct. The Article states it is the former Second chief Aerodynamicist from Red Bull and hist First name is Guru.