High Performance Road Cars VS Bikes.

[FoxHound]

Honda S2000 > not that fast and not that fun and just sterile.

well, that's my experience at least .

With all due respect..... what?

I've had the pleasure of some decent exotica, and some will remain dreams.
The 911 is a peach, in the right format (GT3 of course), and the right road (ie, one with a WIDE track).
Didn't drive it, but my arse told me it was good.

The S2000 for it's vintage, is way beyond what anyone excluding Lotus could achieve, and I include the Porsche boxster.

Massive snap oversteer, absolutely no torque under 5k rpm and a questionable badge (for some) Is the "S2K".

But, get it into a sequence of corners, utilise the rifle bolt accurate gear shift and wait wait wait wait for that oversteer....BOOM, it hits you! This is a car for people that can grab a car by the horns and live to tell the tale.

It's not a predictable magic carpet like a boxster or z4 et al. This will kill you if you don't respect throttle input (Vtec kicked in yo!) Steering angle, or road surface.

No sir, this car asks you questions those cars didn't even know existed.

And the pleasure this "thing" gives me when I nail it, well I get goosebumps just writing about it.
If you truly think an S2000 is sterile and not fun, you did not take this car by it's considerable horns. And I warn you, if and when you do this....don't try on a public road.

As for it's comparison to a Bike... here in the south of England, go to Poole in Dorset on a Tuesday.
Many Augusta F4's 996/748/1180 dukes, 'blades, R1/6's, and even an old codger on a Norton....When they aren't felating each others leather clad bravado, they look and nod to the S2000.

A 4 wheel motorcycle.

[J.A.W.]

Sure they do.. you mean give it a post irrumatio spray, in your face - more like..

If any car cried out for a turbo - it was that Honda..
( & Greg Locock will point you to a pending production trick turbo Honda - albeit a FWD - unit)

[FoxHound]

No, I mean pray don't spray when it goes pete tong.

Nothing like catching a heart in the mouth moment.
Sad truth is, JAW, us 4 wheeled heathens get to tell the tale more often than not in these types of circumstances over our 2 wheeled cousins. Whether ya dig or not.

As a previous R6 owner, in the UK. .. I wish bikers much luck. They need it when pushing balls to wall.

[FoxHound]

Forced induction means lower rev limit.

Give me 9500 rpm of unpredictability over 8000rpm torque. It's one of a kind, adding turbos to this is like adding chilli to caviar.

[J.A.W.]

No, I mean pray don't spray when it goes pete tong.

Nothing like catching a heart in the mouth moment.
Sad truth is, JAW, us 4 wheeled heathens get to tell the tale more often than not in these types of circumstances over our 2 wheeled cousins. Whether ya dig or not.

As a previous R6 owner, in the UK. .. I wish bikers much luck. They need it when pushing balls to wall.

I do appreciate most well designed vehicles F-H, & curiously enough that sporty Honda car & the Yamaha R6
do share in common a certain wound-up/highly strung nature .. ..but neither are really my cup of tea..
too much sound ( surplus 4T rpm not doing much, 'cept wearing the engine out) & not enough fury..

[FoxHound]

Fair point if you are accustomed to 700bhp "godzilla" GTR's or the quite ludicrous GSX-R 1000 and it's ilk.

Better you than me in or on one of those.
My point is, bludgeoned upon these pages as you should have noticed, that X vs Y is irrelevant to the enjoyment you get from purity.

And that purity is going to be way different from me to you, and to anyone else.

Bike vs Car... bollocks. Enjoy both for what they each provide in terms of satisfaction.
Or do a Dan Bilzerian and just get the best of both world's... A Pagani Zonda R.

Yes I called it. 4 wheels wins..... THE END

[J.A.W.]

Doubt it, Jock..

I'd be up for a fang in a Zonda, ain't too likely to ever happen though..
- though I can afford to run a DOHC 4V M-B engine ( in a sporty M-B coupe), & enjoy its attributes..

Stupidly powerful turbo & big cube cars are brutish fun.. & I've had a good share of it..
..but for real pursang intensity - a light, powerful-fast 2-stroke bike - is my pleasure..

[J.A.W.]

& for those tentative, or non-natural bike riders who could benefit from some quantitative analysis feedback..
..here is a GPS data logging product to check out.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXetVqdnU4I

You could even compare your abilities/performance car vs bike..

[J.A.W.]

& just in case you are tempted to take your raucous slick/aero-downforce Formula car..
.. for a public road outing.. sure, do it.. ..but don't get busted..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNSyjbIEeo

[Phil]

Or do a Dan Bilzerian and just get the best of both world's... A Pagani Zonda R.

I actually think the closest you can get to a bike as an exhilirating experience and performance (up to a certain speed like 160-200kmh) is a Caterham. I've driven a Super Light R500 (230bhp @ 460kg or ~500bhp/tonne) and it's IMHO the only affordable road vehicle (sans an Ariel Atom) that is a match and close to the experience of a bike. With a short gear ratio, it's nigh on a match for any bike up to 140kmh in pure (in gear) acceleration. The throttle response on those things is unbelievable. The best part is; with wind in your face, driving a 100kmh feels light you are doing 180. The only car i've ever nearly blacked out as a by passenger because it was that scary.

Drive one if you can.

[J.A.W.]

Dream on Phil.. ..any current showroom superbike available is still in 1st gear.. accelerating hard at 140km/h..

& having passed the 100km/h mark in less than 3 secs - is on its way to 230+ kmh in well under 10secs..

You must be fairly easily impressed, try & get a ride in a free-breathing light-weight big-block V8 hot-rod..
& if its a T-bucket, you can get plenty of wind (& etc) in your face too..

[FoxHound]

Or do a Dan Bilzerian and just get the best of both world's... A Pagani Zonda R.

I actually think the closest you can get to a bike as an exhilirating experience and performance (up to a certain speed like 160-200kmh) is a Caterham. I've driven a Super Light R500 (230bhp @ 460kg or ~500bhp/tonne) and it's IMHO the only affordable road vehicle (sans an Ariel Atom) that is a match and close to the experience of a bike. With a short gear ratio, it's nigh on a match for any bike up to 140kmh in pure (in gear) acceleration. The throttle response on those things is unbelievable. The best part is; with wind in your face, driving a 100kmh feels light you are doing 180. The only car i've ever nearly blacked out as a by passenger because it was that scary.

Drive one if you can.

Phil, I concur fully.

I was giving the bikes a chance. Any mention of the Ariel Atom or the R500 can reduce hardened bikers to tears.
I've not had the privledge to drive anything like that...the closest was a Westfield, and that re-calibrated my sense of what was possible.

[J.A.W.]

Really F-H?
Bore 'em to tears you mean..
.. you'd best check out the - put up job - Top Gear Atom V8 vs BMW superbike vid - I posted on the previous page..

[FoxHound]

Really F-H?
Bore 'em to tears you mean..
.. you'd best check out the - put up job - Top Gear Atom V8 vs BMW superbike vid - I posted on the previous page..

JAW, you go out and try the heroics of going....or at least trying 100%.
You will at some point make a mistake, it's the nature 100%....all or nothing. I won't bore you with stories of bikers who've shed skin, smashed limbs or lost lives.

In a controlled environment, a Bike will win most the time if both drivers are equal. But this here is a moot.

In a realistic environment, bikes don't even stand a chance here in the UK. You'll find many bikers who disagree with that.
Those are the ones waiting for either the biggest scare of their lives(I was one of them), or massive physical trauma and even worse.

And while the bike was fabulous, I could never push it to the absolute maximum. When I tried, I got incrementally braver....80%/85%/90%/95% I had the bejesus scared out of me for 2 reasons....When it goes wrong, it goes wrong quickly and when you least expect it.
That is my experience and the experience of many of my peers. If you can deal with this, then fair play to you.

[J.A.W.]

Hey man, anyone who wants to sook it.. is free to do so.. we are all mortal..
..& there are plenty of times I take the car.. for good reason..
& occasional times when I feel better for being in it, going hard..

But.. the O.T. post contention stands.. ..in real/hard terms..
..& regardless of all the hilarious anonymous fanboy upvotes/hater downvotes - here in this thread....