motobaleno wrote:drunkf1fan wrote:People keep pointing to Mclaren speed traps as if they mean anything. Mercedes are deploying ers power throughout the lap, Mclaren aren't, it's mostly why they are so damn slow. It also means Mclaren don't use power throughout the whole lap but save it all for the one long straight. If they used it 'evenly' around the lap like other cars they would be significantly slower in the speed trap but a little faster in all the intermediate speeds.
The fundamental problem with the car is lack of ers power but not none, this will consistently give them misleading numbers from deploying vs not deploying. Thing is even with max ers power on the one straight when they use it probably all... they are still 12kph down and that is using as little downforce as possible. Bolt on same downforce Merc/Ferrari have you can probably take a further 10kph off that, probably a further 10-15kph down if they were using their ers power evenly around the lap.
but the table above show the apex speed in all the 3 main straight not just the longest one
and all the 3 are comparable with renault ones...
Which would be a good thing IF and only if all four Renault runners hadn't had massive issues all weekend with reliability and slowness. Kvyat didn't put in any single lap running rather going for race pace. All the Renault's knew they were starting from the back and basically entirely ignored qualifying setup. Measuring against Renault is almost the definition of failure as Renault are failing very badly here at Monza
This is basically exactly what I was getting at, comparing one speed trap when we know Mclaren can barely deploy power and would almost certainly deploy what they have down the start finish straight effectively is rather silly because while 10kph down there(which isn't insignificant to begin with) they are 20kph down in the rest and setup purely for straight line speed.
Comparing them to Renault's is equally as flawed, Renault aren't fast here, infact they are awful here and having reliability issues. Looking for the positive and being optimistic isn't wrong or bad, but looking at every close number and assuming progression isn't just optimistic, it's misleading and incorrect. Mclaren haven't gained, they aren't close, Renault moved further back here, nothing else.