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Just found this chart on motorsport.com:

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It's in Italian, but it's neat and clear, showing kilometers done per Power Unit.
Considering that the kilometers done by the 2016 Ferrari PU are almost half of the Mercedes PU, done by having 2 cars against 4 running all day, the situation it's not really that bad.

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Already discussed in Testing thread where it belongs...
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On f1analisitecnica there's an article about cooling solution adopted by Ferrari and Haas, they say that their radiators are placed in a V shape, in order to free more space to do a slimmer back of the car.

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ripper wrote:On f1analisitecnica there's an article about cooling solution adopted by Ferrari and Haas, they say that their radiators are placed in a V shape, in order to free more space to do a slimmer back of the car.
Is that visible in this link?

https://twitter.com/RoboCoPJ/status/702230633498677248

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Was watching them clean the Ferrari wheels on yesterday's Ted's Notebook, expecting to see all those dimples for heat management but they've gone for high reflectivity instead;

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3jawchuck wrote:
ripper wrote:On f1analisitecnica there's an article about cooling solution adopted by Ferrari and Haas, they say that their radiators are placed in a V shape, in order to free more space to do a slimmer back of the car.
Is that visible in this link?

https://twitter.com/RoboCoPJ/status/702230633498677248
Yes, it is the picture they are using on their article on website.

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A second wind to the pull rod vs push rod conversation.. :D

Adrian Newey on why pull rod didn't make sense

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... -for-power
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Silent Storm wrote:A second wind to the pull rod vs push rod conversation.. :D

Adrian Newey on why push rod didn't make sense

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... -for-power
he didnt say that the pullrod did not make sense, he said that he could not see any discernible difference and that it wasnt worth exploring the options

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Pull Rod at the front is what he is getting at. It doesn't have much advantage, and he is right.
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Ferrari did use that V layout for its radiators in a near past. The Ferrair powered Saubers too
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bhall II wrote: And Ferrari has abandoned both in an apparent return to a design philosophy that produced the team's first winless season in something like 20 years...
We should note though that the F14T was a car designed with supposed aero superiority as its main objective - i.e. compromises were made on the engine side in order to get what they felt was the ideal chassis design.

In 2015, they did an about face: improved the PU (since that is now the primary performance differentiator) and made the chassis fit.

So it makes sense to me that one year on, with the benefit of increased resource and lead time for this new group, they would try to combine both philosophies for the ultimate package.

Not saying it's worked, just that I understand the logic (and also not saying I necessarily agree that the similarities are that strong, to be honest).

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I thought today was not too bad despite the problem this morning. I would rather these faults surface now than during the first race. My only concern is that there is only two testing this year.

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ringo wrote:Pull Rod at the front is what he is getting at. It doesn't have much advantage, and he is right.
I disagree with that. With high noses, pull rods gave better air flow under them, and were more compact compared to the other solution. That offcourse, changed with lowering of noses because of new rules. Ferrari retained the highest possible mounting point positioning, and sculpted those platapuses and fake steps of theirs, still attempting to get as much air under them. But last year, everyone was already at the second and third generation of lower fronts, Ferrari was on theirs first, they finally deemed them better. While the rest were sculpting some very compact push rod designs, Ferrari was still on pull rods. Now in that situation advantage for compactness was gone, all aero advantage was gone, and it probably also prevented shorter nose.

I loved them back them, still think they offered advantage back them, but I frankly now thing they were a big mistake. Ferrari 150°, last without them, and last under Costa was a very competitive car. In place of evolution they went with revolution that they then dragged around for consecutive seasons.