F1 Car of 2007 : McLaren MP4-22

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rkn
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The FIA was invited to inspect MP4-22 when the scandal emerged, however they didn't accept the offer until after the final hearing, where Mclaren was penalised. Also there has never been found any Ferrari IP on the McLaren car, so how exactly is it a cheat?

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Congrats McLaren :!:

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Who chose the best car? Was it a panel of judges or readers of Autosport or what? There decision may not agree with your own, so why don't you make a webpage and host your own awards for what you think is the best [x] and invite the nominees to your award ceremony?
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McMerc looked good and went good

Ferrari looked good and went just as good.

So the winner is................


HONDA!

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So the winner is................


HONDA!
lol i agree they car did look better than others except the livery
and they didn't hav to pace to go with the car so that it will give a better view for the spectators

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megz wrote:
So the winner is................


HONDA!
:lol: :lol:

funny indeed.I guess they got the best thing with them now(RB).

they can really get that accolade within a few years from now.. 8)

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ben_watkins wrote:Oh dear..

Why can't the hate be stopped?
After what they did? nuh-uh...
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mike wrote:both FA and LH lost by one point the overall package of mclaren is clearly better than ferrari fanboy....
if massa hasn't let kimi through in brazil ferrari wouldn't have won the drivers world championship right....
i strongly disagree than FA and LH is better than kimi
let's establish some facts
FA is about as fast as trulli mayb faster in the reault days he was much younger and faster. Flavio sacked Button beacuse Alonso was more impressive in testing during 2002
ralf out score trulli in 2005 and 2006 LOL...
JPM is clearly a bit better than ralf schumacher I agree...
and JPM and driver who loves oversteer in a oversteering car the MP4 20 struggle to keep up with Kimi Wrong.... JPM said word for word "I turn the wheel, and it doesn't turn" Watch Malaysia onboard JPM. Lots of UNDERsteer
at 2004 both kimi and FA each had a great battle with Michael Schumacher and kimi was the one who won despite not having a better car than FA That is weakest argument I've ever heard... Yes, FA should've won France, but they stayed out too long on less than great tyres
than how can u say that FA is better than kimi
and let face it LH is also about as fast as LH
so ur saying that Kimi is slow and he's car did all the work for him?
i think the opposite, kimi won because he is better than FA and LH despite not having the absolute best car
I would like to agree with your conclusion, but we can never really know except speculate.

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mike wrote:well i think u only have to put it this way to prove that mclaren is the better car

if the season was to restart which car will to pick to drive to win the world championship?
obvious to say its definately mclaren
mp4-22 has got the best reliablity fast in any gp and fastest in canada usa monza monaco and possibly hungary and japan and in all wet conditions and more importantly it is an awsome qualy car and better at following cars
If it was to restart, The Ferrari again.

It dominated Australia
Should've dominated Malaysia
Bahrain
Dominated Spain
Got spanked, and will in a restart
Dominate France
Britain
Europe
Hungary (messed up strategy)
Turkey
Belgium
japan (if dry)
Chinese (def if dry)
Brazil

That's like every race except 5 or 6?

Can't forget that Kimi had alternator problem in Spain and hydraulics in Europe. I would say that would be anywhere between 12 to 16 points

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I always love the word "if"

If Dry... If Kimi... If this

They where both good cars in there own right. Ferrari where a little faster. Mclarens were more reliable. End of story
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Oh that word... "IF"... what a word...

I used to play GP2 championships in my computer, 10 years ago, in those free afternoons after high school. The F1 season was 1995, Senna with Alesi in 1&2 Ferrari, Schumacher with Berger in 3&4 Benneton, Hill and Coulthard in 5&6 Williams...

Nowdays, the word IF can go to hell by me
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ds.raikkonen wrote:
ben_watkins wrote:Oh dear..

Why can't the hate be stopped?
After what they did? nuh-uh...
Come back when you hit puberty.

Awards are just opinions...you have yours they had theirs....
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Ray
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Nope. You're all wrong. the Super Aguri SA07. I have never seen such an improvement in such a short amount of time. It was a beautiful car, I'm a huge fan of the team, and they did pass the McLaren on merit in Canada. :lol: :lol:

Just my twisted and often wrong opinion of course.

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Can't forget that Kimi had alternator problem in Spain and hydraulics in Europe. I would say that would be anywhere between 12 to 16 points
if we were to restart the season probablity of rain should the same
and reliablity really isn't a if factor. the design of the car determins the reliablity so u can't say that reliablity isn't a factor of judge which car is the best. the point that i was trying to make that mclaren mayb the second fastest car, but it is much much faster than the third fastest car which implys that it will away finish in the top 5 or better and adding on it's unblievable reliablity it can score more point than ferrari and it did. and the mp4 22 can qualify better than ferrari.
and JPM and driver who loves oversteer in a oversteering car the MP4 20 struggle to keep up with Kimi Wrong.... JPM said word for word "I turn the wheel, and it doesn't turn" Watch Malaysia onboard JPM. Lots of UNDERsteer
if u were refering to 2005 kimi didn't like the car that much at that moment either, the mp4-20 started perform later in that season. and remember kimi beat JPM at monza qualy isn't JPM's favourite circuit?
kimi is alway said to be very much the same driving style as michael schumacher and believe me he loves oversteer.
at 2004 both kimi and FA each had a great battle with Michael Schumacher and kimi was the one who won despite not having a better car than FA That is weakest argument I've ever heard... Yes, FA should've won France, but they stayed out too long on less than great tyres
all im saying is that kimi had a worst car the FA, but he managed to fight with Schumacher and win. having good strategy is also important in a driver. And had FA pitted for the 4th time in the 2004 french GP he is not match to Schumacher's pace. well u can also say that kimi won in 2004 spa was a luck thing but he did win.
i would agree that we can't speculate, but i really have to make the point that kimi is better than FA, mayb not much but he is better.
both FA and LH lost by one point the overall package of mclaren is clearly better than ferrari fanboy....
i m definately not a mclaren fan. :x
all i m saying is that mclaren hav the best blend of pace and reliablity and it should be awarded the best car.
if ferrari were to have better reliablity it will i hav not doubt taken both championships with ease

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F1 Car of 2007 : McLaren MP4-22

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As a rabid Tifosi, I say Ferrari. As a relatively sane human, I say it's lots of fun to speculate and put forward our arguments (but there's no reason to get personal or nasty).

I am a bit bemused by this comment:

"Why can't you accept the fact that mclaren did a BETTER job than Ferrari in car design, even if McLaren had possession of detailed Ferrari docs & drawings. That makes it an even sweeter triumph for McLaren"

Hmmmmm . . . "even if McLaren had possession of detailed Ferrari docs & drawings." To some observers that MIGHT make a difference . . .

But I'll cast my vote with djones:

"Ferrari won more races. (strong point)
Ferrari set the most fastest laps. (very strong point)
Ferrari won the constructors championship. (weaker point)
Ferrari won the drivers championship." (open to quibbles)

Hard to argue with results.

But MOST important . . . race cars should be RED, NOT chrome plated (ersatz) :lol:
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