Aero testing and workforce limitations

tomislavp4 · Post 07 Dec 2007, 19:53

Bunch of bulls##t if you ask me

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mx_tifoso · Post 07 Dec 2007, 21:01

mcdenife wrote:multiple choice question.
Forgetting about the rest of the field for a moment, of the big guns (in terms of financial clout) which team, in the long term, benefits most from this:

e) Renault

....Their budget is not as high as other top teams, thus the ¨cost cutting¨ rules will not have such a great effect on them (prob). That´s how I see it anyways. And since they havn´t invested in RD as much as other teams, they won´t be wasting as much.

They have been squeezing the same amount, or more, from the same, or smaller orange in the past few years, in comparison to other top teams. (or maybe it was because they had FA in the main seat

)

I believe that future rules should equally take into account, efficiency and effectiveness. Or a just amount from both ends of the spectrum.

Belatti · Post 07 Dec 2007, 22:00

If the teams can get 10, well, they will spend 10. If not in wind tunnel nor engine, then in 5 big-ass motorhomes with a gym for their drivers and a driving simulator to make their drivers "run" a GP on saturday afternoon. And with the money thats left they will ask NASA to redisign whatever it can be redesigned in parallel with the teams engineers just to verify if its OK.
The limit is NOT imposed by rules, its imposed by manufacturers budget destination to F1 and by sponsors.

bettonracing · Post 07 Dec 2007, 22:35

Not that I agree w/ the intended limitations but some food for thought:

To echo Belatti: The teams who have money will find a way to spend it. However, it does help somewhat if you make it harder for them to spend.

The pecking order won't change much until a 'reward weight' penalty is properly implemented.

Regards,

Kurt

checkered · Post 08 Dec 2007, 04:24

What is FIA going

to do? Have a representative standing by at each wind tunnel to be found on Earth just in case someone comes in with F1 parts to test? The CFD restrictions are even more ludicrous, completely unenforceable and will only drive a significant and growing industry away from F1. There's no perceivable beneficial framework to these suggestions, not when it has anything to do with what F1 aspired to be. Perhaps the the owners of F1 are planning a series for the über rich (there are ~ 10.000.000 dollar millionaires in the World) where all the fancy tech will go (surronded by wonderland playgrounds in areas far from any threat of mass unrest), and the rest will have to do with some mass produced overhyped fare.

Post 08 Dec 2007, 06:48

Welcome to champ car global

or is it open wheel nascar

I forgot

toss the rule book now start from scratch

Ogami musashi · Post 08 Dec 2007, 13:16

I think you're mislead.

The problem is the waste of money for the result.

It exists both in airplane and F1 aerodynamics, now, a lot of engineers use methods that are not adapted anymore to the complexity of what they're dealing with..sometimes it works, sometimes not...and many times..they don't know why!

That's why they run a lot of experiment trying to test every part, then testing every part together until they find something that work for sure...

persovik · Post 08 Dec 2007, 14:50

What does the FIA want to do with all the surplus staff that are currently working in the teams? Toss them in the bin along with the billions invested in tecnology and facilities that the FIA wants to ban?
While the obvious solution for most teams is to employ their staff and investments in other areas of their business like consultancy work, I'm just waiting for FIA to decide that F1 teams are not allowed to be involved in anything else because of the difficulties in policing large organisations with multi-faceted areas of business.
Limiting CFD capacity? That must be the single most stupid decicion in FIA history!

It is obviously a good idea to let the teams shift a lot of their rescerarch to energy-recovery, it is just such a shame that a couple of years down the roud the FIA will tell the teams to toss houndred of millions worth of development in the bin because of new rule-changes.

Hopefully there will be job-openings in F1 in the future, but I bet most of the teams are not thinking too hard about recruiting new trainees these days. Shame on you Max!

axle · Post 08 Dec 2007, 17:07

The teams would have to agree to this, and they won't.
FIA will ask for something less drastic instead, the teams will agree....FIA get their way as they actually wanted the 2nd agreement anyway.

modbaraban · Post 08 Dec 2007, 17:24

axle wrote:The teams would have to agree to this, and they won't.
FIA will ask for something less drastic instead, the teams will agree....FIA get their way as they actually wanted the 2nd agreement anyway.

"If you ask Bernie how much is his car, he'll tell you it's not for sale, for a start. It's his way of making business..." - M.Brundle Not sure if this is 100% correct quote though, but same may be applied to Max with his way of forcing teams agree with new rules. Good point, axle.

Conceptual · Post 08 Dec 2007, 19:44

Is there a true series that doesnt hobble technology, innovation, brilliance and dedication?

Because i would REALLY be interested in that series... Enough that I would shift my passion from F1 to it in an INSTANT!

I hate more rules and regulations. The FIA must be taking their business model from the US Federal Government. The only way to have absolute control over everything is to regulate every aspect of life.

It sickens me here, and it is REALLY sickening me in Formula 1.

Disgusting.

Chris

Carlos · Post 08 Dec 2007, 20:52

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Enjoy your new sport.
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http://www.automobilemag.com/features/r ... /index.htm
http://www.formulagravity.co.uk/
http://www.skatelog.com/countries/us/ca ... series.htm
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donskar · Post 08 Dec 2007, 21:23

Very Machiavellian.

F1 is becoming NASCAR. Really. What next, all races run on high-banked ovals? (For safety, natch.)

No sarcasm meant, IF these rules were to be implemented and enforced, Indy-style cars would begin approaching F1 performance and even beat it in certain parameters.

UGH!

PNSD · Post 08 Dec 2007, 21:52

run on ovals for saftey?

...

are you serious? go watch a nascar/irl/ or even ralfs indy crashes then come back and say running on an oval is safer.

waynes · Post 08 Dec 2007, 22:45

do not ever say F1 is like NASCAR

lets face it, nascar drivers are in a rollcage, and it would be mighty hard to have a shunt above 160 mph as the cars are wank and anyone who has managed to do it must either be --- or be david coulthard

F1 pisses all over any other form of motorsport and thats the bottom line

cos waynes said so