2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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ziggy wrote:It's difficult for many people to understand what it takes to build such a complex PU. There's not only the engine (ICE) part, but there are also electric components and power electronics (nobody is talking about these here) which are as complex as the ICE. Then you have to get them all to play together like an orchestra. As an example, we all know, an orchestra has to practice again and again and again for hours on the same rehearsal, till it is is completely in-sync with itself.

Then there are some clever inovations. We are talking about state of the art technology. Aerospace level. These parts need to be developed and tested and there are no shortcuts. No references, no books where you could read about it. You can't just buy them from a supllier, so you are on your own. As per Murphys law, anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. And it has to go wrong, so you can understand the problem and solve it once for all.

When you got all bits and bolts together, a working PU, it has to work with the chassis, and we are at the orchestra again...

Is mercedes then more competent than honda? Impossible to say, but they started way earlier than honda. Flavio Briatore said they started in 2007, some other reports say 2010. I can clearly remember driver comments about very hot air, when driving behind the mercedes in 2011/2012, so they allready tested 2014 cooling configurations, they knew the cooling requirements back then. That means The Ice was allready running at least in 2011!

Long story short, I'm 100% sure Honda will get there, the question is only when. My gut feeling says Spain or Monaco...
You underestimate what people here know about the complexity of these engines. A very condescending post.
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This fear mongering is really getting out of hand now. Ladies...

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Sorry, I don't understand why you are posting pictures from your wife :wink:

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RS200E wrote:
ziggy wrote:It's difficult for many people to understand what it takes to build such a complex PU. There's not only the engine (ICE) part, but there are also electric components and power electronics (nobody is talking about these here) which are as complex as the ICE. Then you have to get them all to play together like an orchestra. As an example, we all know, an orchestra has to practice again and again and again for hours on the same rehearsal, till it is is completely in-sync with itself.

Then there are some clever inovations. We are talking about state of the art technology. Aerospace level. These parts need to be developed and tested and there are no shortcuts. No references, no books where you could read about it. You can't just buy them from a supllier, so you are on your own. As per Murphys law, anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. And it has to go wrong, so you can understand the problem and solve it once for all.

When you got all bits and bolts together, a working PU, it has to work with the chassis, and we are at the orchestra again...

Is mercedes then more competent than honda? Impossible to say, but they started way earlier than honda. Flavio Briatore said they started in 2007, some other reports say 2010. I can clearly remember driver comments about very hot air, when driving behind the mercedes in 2011/2012, so they allready tested 2014 cooling configurations, they knew the cooling requirements back then. That means The Ice was allready running at least in 2011!

Long story short, I'm 100% sure Honda will get there, the question is only when. My gut feeling says Spain or Monaco...
You underestimate what people here know about the complexity of these engines. A very condescending post.

Nope, I don't underestimate people here in no way. That's why I said many people. This is a technical forum and as you can see many people are barking around Honda, with no facts in their hands. However I really appreciate people that know something and are willing to write it down here. In the end, that's why we are here, to discuss things that you can't read in mainstream media.

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DiogoBrand wrote:Maybe they're just adding like 100Kg of ballast so no one would get suspicious that they may have a good car. And then for Melbourne they remove the ballast and win everything when everyone else is too late to catch up. :mrgreen:
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Any news on Mclaren today ? What spec are they running, when are they slapping the engine ?
As far as I remember the new "new Melbourne" engine is arriving tomorrow, maybe they ran out of engines ?
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11 laps so far :( :( :(

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Lets post this in testing tread :)

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Vasconia wrote:
a1b2i3r45 wrote:I think a better example for Honda to follow should be Ferrari rather than Merc; considering the way Ferrari turned around from 2014 pu in such a short time and introduced different and innovative solutions with such impeccable reliability.
+1.

2014´s engine was small and lacked strenght, next season they came with a tremendously improved PU. Honda should learn something from them.
It has always been much easier to resign with 2nd position than fighting for 1st :wink: :twisted: :P

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makecry wrote:
Diesel wrote:McLaren looks like they are in for another year to struggling min the midfield, and Ferrari look like they have the quickest car... Alonso must be kicking himself so hard right now.

Alonso's decision to move to McLaren for me was always a bad one. With Ferrari he would atleast have a few wins and podiums in 70-80% of races.
He was "enjoying" that, and he decided to move on, because as stated repeatedly, he was tired of fighting for 2nd places, and he did prefer some seasons struggling if then he can fight for titles again
makecry wrote:Honda IS NEVER going to come good. They don't have the ability and engineering acumen necessary to succeed in Formula 1.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

So now Honda is some sort of amateurish company with no experience or knownledge? #-o
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Andres125sx wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
a1b2i3r45 wrote:I think a better example for Honda to follow should be Ferrari rather than Merc; considering the way Ferrari turned around from 2014 pu in such a short time and introduced different and innovative solutions with such impeccable reliability.
+1.

2014´s engine was small and lacked strenght, next season they came with a tremendously improved PU. Honda should learn something from them.
It has always been much easier to resign with 2nd position than fighting for 1st :wink: :twisted: :P
Not as easy as you would expect, Rb and Ferrari are having a nice battle during the last two seasons.

And we talk about how a team clearly improved what was a pretty mediocre product(2014s PU), not that easy with the already mentioned token restriction(used by Honda several times to explain their not so big improvement).

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Autosport:
EB:
"But still the car spec here is launch spec, we do try little bits, but we will not run the full spec. The full spec will be run in Australia."
Lots of testing in Australia :( :(

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This is the current situation at Mclaren Honda via Autosport
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"For those wondering about McLaren's low lap count so far today, I'm told there have been no further engine problems. Apparently the team is just working through what has become a truncated test programme." Ben Anderson

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Vasconia wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
+1.

2014´s engine was small and lacked strenght, next season they came with a tremendously improved PU. Honda should learn something from them.
It has always been much easier to resign with 2nd position than fighting for 1st :wink: :twisted: :P
Not as easy as you would expect, Rb and Ferrari are having a nice battle during the last two seasons.
What I´d say is RBR has been trying to fight Mercedes as hard as even trying a PU re-brand (Tag-heuer) with new developers to improve the PU further than the actual manufacturer was able to, and while failing, Ferrari has been fighting RBR, wich they only managed to do the season where RBR PU was heavily underpowered :wink: :mrgreen: