Renault Sport Racing and McLaren Racing are pleased to announce they have agreed an engine supply partnership for the 2018, 2019 and 2020 seasons. The deal will see Renault Sport Racing supply McLaren with Formula 1 power units, while also establishing a close working relationship with McLaren’s engineers and technicians.
Fair enough, but i fail to understand why it wouldn't fit in this thread, since it is related to the Mclaren F1 team...Thunders wrote:Ok you have been warned. There is a whole Thread dedicated to the McLaren PU situation and a possible Switch to Merc / BMW. Please use it.
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Santozini wrote:Fair enough, but i fail to understand why it wouldn't fit in this thread, since it is related to the Mclaren F1 team...Thunders wrote:Ok you have been warned. There is a whole Thread dedicated to the McLaren PU situation and a possible Switch to Merc / BMW. Please use it.
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Anyway, thanks for warning me, but next time you can just let me know.
says the person with a "-2".foxmulder_ms wrote:Santozini wrote:Fair enough, but i fail to understand why it wouldn't fit in this thread, since it is related to the Mclaren F1 team...Thunders wrote:Ok you have been warned. There is a whole Thread dedicated to the McLaren PU situation and a possible Switch to Merc / BMW. Please use it.
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Anyway, thanks for warning me, but next time you can just let me know.
Mods here are freaking crazy.. They love meddling everything.
honda if its last or 1st its all most the same ...the results effect more mclaren and i say for honda after summer ,,,.. if the season is a repeat of 2015 mclaren is on critical corner...mclaren losing money mclaren losing stuff mclaren losing prestige (honda have more activite to promote on others motosport series)..IMO mclaren already work (mercedes connect) the react on this scenario ...the time its not unlimited ...dont forget this ...car companies they dont have nothing to take from f1 ..a work team cost a lot for nothing ..mercedes its a team with limited time ...only as engine supplies this companys can be with out losing money in f1 ..the cost for run a team its huge ..and all other activites they dont give nothing more ..promote can have with simple supplying engines....maybe mercedes want mclaren for the future ..maybe mercedes have a plan to quit us team and stay only us supplyier ..xmm a good idea this ..mclaren mercedes renuion and honda take back his work team from mercedes...godlameroso wrote:Would you accept it if Honda starts getting it's act together by Sochi? How about if by Silverstone power is no longer a problem but rather a mediocre chassis? How would people respond when the tables turn and Mclaren becomes the sole reason the car isn't as fast as the others, what then? Do you suppose Honda would do itself a favor criticising McLaren for making an average chassis at best and publicly shopping around the paddock for a team willing to take a works engine supplier?
It really becomes a question of who needs who more, Honda doesn't need McLaren for a chassis, or to even be in F1. McLaren not only needs to be in F1, but they cannot build a power unit. So like I've said, pointing fingers and blaming is useless. The only way forward is to work together to find solutions to the problems at hand, there is no room for hubris and pride. It's just going to make failing all the more painful.
"Helmut Marko, Red Bull's special consultant, claimed Mercedes could have gained a one second per lap advantage by testing for three days between the two races. He said: "We are very unhappy. When we test for three days, we go a second faster – that's what Adrian Newey [Red Bull's designer] says. It definitely helped them – you can see that they had no tyre problems today. That's no accident."godlameroso wrote:Would you accept it if Honda starts getting it's act together by Sochi? How about if by Silverstone power is no longer a problem but rather a mediocre chassis? How would people respond when the tables turn and Mclaren becomes the sole reason the car isn't as fast as the others, what then? Do you suppose Honda would do itself a favor criticising McLaren for making an average chassis at best and publicly shopping around the paddock for a team willing to take a works engine supplier?
It really becomes a question of who needs who more, Honda doesn't need McLaren for a chassis, or to even be in F1. McLaren not only needs to be in F1, but they cannot build a power unit. So like I've said, pointing fingers and blaming is useless. The only way forward is to work together to find solutions to the problems at hand, there is no room for hubris and pride. It's just going to make failing all the more painful.
Exactly!! +1000Senna77 wrote:"Helmut Marko, Red Bull's special consultant, claimed Mercedes could have gained a one second per lap advantage by testing for three days between the two races. He said: "We are very unhappy. When we test for three days, we go a second faster – that's what Adrian Newey [Red Bull's designer] says. It definitely helped them – you can see that they had no tyre problems today. That's no accident."godlameroso wrote:Would you accept it if Honda starts getting it's act together by Sochi? How about if by Silverstone power is no longer a problem but rather a mediocre chassis? How would people respond when the tables turn and Mclaren becomes the sole reason the car isn't as fast as the others, what then? Do you suppose Honda would do itself a favor criticising McLaren for making an average chassis at best and publicly shopping around the paddock for a team willing to take a works engine supplier?
It really becomes a question of who needs who more, Honda doesn't need McLaren for a chassis, or to even be in F1. McLaren not only needs to be in F1, but they cannot build a power unit. So like I've said, pointing fingers and blaming is useless. The only way forward is to work together to find solutions to the problems at hand, there is no room for hubris and pride. It's just going to make failing all the more painful.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/ ... esting-row
If this is true Mclaren basically lost all 8 days of testing. They never did any long runs at all. Not to mention the problems they had in 2015/2016 not just in testing but throughout the entire year with engines blowing up every race.
Even Newey cannot build a winning car in 1 year. A winning car is built on years and years of development. Newey started at redbull in 2006, then 2007, then 2008 and then finally the 2009 redbull started showing some serious pace. By 2010 it was now a monster. But it was a progressive month by month improvement over 4-5 years to get it to eventually become a winning package.
Basically you build on the speed layer by layer, month by month, year by year. It also took Mercedes a good 4+ years also to come good.
So if 3 days of testing is worth 1 second a lap according to Redbull. Mclaren theoriticaly/possibly is now 2 seconds behind on the chassis side already just this year alone. Not to mention the last 2 years this has been going on.
Instead of building every year going faster and faster layer by layer. Mclaren has been cripped from 2015 with no testing at all. Then all year they kept having issues in every single practise session and race. While other teams are gathering data etc Mclaren was in the garage. 2015 was a disaster 8 days of testing gone, 60 practise sessions crippled trying to get the dam engine to work, 20 qualifying sessions, 20 races where instead of moving forward all year they were going backwards on the chassis side stuck in the garage
Without this Mclaren would have gained 2 seconds all year easily. Then 2016 built more on that. layer by layer
Mclaren basically went backwards every weekend instead of forward.
Honda has been a total disaster for Mclaren. Especially on the chassis development side due to them missing so much track time last 2 years and still no fix in sight.
