Racing tracks: favourites

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I dunno bout standing 1/4 mile times but I was reading a copy of my friends magazine recently. I think it might have been Top gear, or posibly even Nuts lmao!

Anyway, they had an article about the most extreme race cars ever, was pretty cool, you had everything from LeMans protos, Can Am's, Group B Rally cars, and of course right at the top in terms of power to weight ratio the 1983 Brabham.

..Except that there was only ONE machine above it on the list, some sort of record Top Fuel Dragster, I don't recall the figures, but we talking a power to weight ratio of between 3-5times more than Nelson Piquet's Brabham.

Its pretty damn extreme. I'm guessing a standing 1/4mile is done in the sort of time that's painful to read, let alone sit through. lol :lol:
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The power of a dragster is really high. A dragster weighs only 2.100 pounds, or 1 ton and its engine has around 7.000 hp, which means that the two dragster competing in a track have almost the same power as the entire F1 grid. A dragster goes from 0 to 100 mph in less than 0.8 seconds; compare that to 2.2 seconds for an F1 to go from 0 to 60 mph.

One piston of a dragster engine produces as much power as the entire Ferrari engine: 750 hp
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The engines use 13 gallons per minute when idle, with fuel pumps that peak at 85 gallons per minute. The total life span of the engine is 8 seconds, 2 for the burning, 5 seconds for the racing and guzzles 75 gallons per minute while racing.

15 liters of oil to fill the sump
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Track asphalt has to support extreme longitudinal forces. The tires develop an average coefficient of friction larger than 2, with peaks around 6.5 Gs. The tires have an inflation pressure of only 6 psi.

Larry Dixon wrinkling the tires
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It's fascinating to observe the mechanics rebuild an entire engine in front of your eyes in 45 minutes (maximum 75), changing pistons, heads, belts and whatever is required. That's for me one of the most sublime expressions of mechanical prowess, even when you compare it with F1 teams of mechanics in cute boxers... ;)

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I really admire Shirley Muldowne, a woman that still races, 62 years old now. I admire here even if the new 5 stage clutches, pneumatically activated, have taken some of the fun away.

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The slippage of these clutches is incredible: when you start, the engine is at 8,000 rpm but the axle is at 2,000, with a slippage of 6,000 rpm. The clutch doesn't engage fully until 3 seconds into the run. With runs under 5 seconds, this means that the clutch burning and the strain in the asphalt is really high. I've seen clutches smoking like a bar-b-q 30 minutes after the race has ended.

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The track is built using a concrete slab under the asphalt. The slab has enough steel reinforcement to be built as one unit, without traverse joints for thermal expansion.

The surface of the concrete is aligned with laser beams to provide a flat surface. After the concrete is cured, the average flatness factor of a modern track, like the one at Brainerd Int'l Raceway, is 98. In english, this means that the difference in height among any two patches of the track is less than the thickness of a piece of paper. The famous Pomona Raceway has a world record (I imagine) flatness factor of 104.

You actually need this kind of surface: if one of the wheels slips you "lose the load" on it, and the amount on nitromethane entering the engine is so high that the spark plug will be drowned by the fuel. This means that one of the cylinders will explode.

At Brainerd there is a transition from concrete to asphalt at half track. This transition uses taconite tailings instead of rock aggregate in the asphalt. "Taconite tailings are more durable and dense than rock aggregate, making the asphalt's density more similar to concrete. Tailings provide greater tire traction and allow the surface to better withstand the punishing weather extremes that central Minnesota experiences."

I dare to think that the body of an F1 car has more tolerance in dimensions than the finished surface of a drag track.

The surface is sand-blasted, like in Bahrain's drag track to provide greater traction (they actually sand-blast it, I'm not talking about the sand from the desert).

So, in my humble opinion, drag tracks are a work of art. The puny asphalt you see at F1 tracks is... well, you can imagine, not a work of art of the same dimensions. In heaven's name, they have puddles when it rains!
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P.S. Chuck Norris left Formula1 for drag racing.

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modbaraban wrote:P.S. Chuck Norris left Formula1 for drag racing.
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Just wanted to say I've seen these things in action at Gateway International Raceway just outside my hometown! I'm not particularly a fan, but they truly were amazing! We were standing just 10-15 feet away from the Top Fuelers while they were in their garages, and we went to whichever one was doing an engine test. The atmosphere just melts when you're near these things at full blast: the noise (the noise!!!), the smell, the fumes, and then there's your chest cavity pounding like someone's punching you...I like the comparison pictures of the rear tires at standstill and the rear tires when they are doing their burnouts: the tires swell out by at least a foot because of the centrifugal (or is that centripital :D) force. I also like Ciro's picture where you can see the tire folding and crumpling during the launch. Anyway, the races were spectacular too. You never get used to how quickly these things just disappear down the strip! I think the quickest time at the race I went to was 3.25 seconds for the 1/4!
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Well, young lads have wasted an entire life knowing only about Chuck Norris.

There is a person that is mightier than Mr. Norris by orders of magnitude, the same way Pocono asphalt is as superior to Spa's. It's the difference between a beach in Colombia and nuclear winter.

I know, I know, where have the wise people been? Why no one has explained to you who this person is? Well, children, pure luck has put me in your way. Here you have "Way of the Dragon" for your enlightment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLO1YIWQuXE

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As you can see, Chuck starts winning (he's Chuck Norris, in the name of all that's decent), but the powerful, godlike Bruce Lee killed him. Mr. Norris even look a little chubby compared with the 60 kilograms of steel Bruce Lee exhibits in this movie.

I'm so sad for all Chuck's fans, but the truth must triumph: his clone has befuddled you for years. Chuck Norris died at the Roman Coliseum victim of Bruce Lee.

I only ask one big favor from you: if Chuck Norris's clone asks you who told you about Bruce Lee, have mercy: don't tell him it was me.

Now, if I could find the video of Shirley Muldowne beating Michael Schumacher ass... ;)
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Ciro Pabón wrote:Well, young lads have wasted an entire life knowing only about Chuck Norris.

There is a person that is mightier than Mr. Norris by orders of magnitude, the same way Pocono asphalt is as superior to Spa's. It's the difference between a beach in Colombia and nuclear winter.

I know, I know, where have the wise people been? Why no one has explained to you who this person is? Well, children, pure luck has put me in your way. Here you have "Way of the Dragon" for your enlightment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLO1YIWQuXE
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As you can see, Chuck starts winning (he's Chuck Norris, in the name of all that's decent), but the powerful, godlike Bruce Lee killed him. Mr. Norris even look a little chubby compared with the 60 kilograms of steel Bruce Lee exhibits in this movie.

I'm so sad for all Chuck's fans, but the truth must triumph: his clone has befuddled you for years. Chuck Norris died at the Roman Coliseum victim of Bruce Lee. I only ask one big favor from you: if Chuck asks you who told you about Bruce Lee, have mercy: don't tell him it was me.

Now, if I could find the video of Shirley Muldowne beating Michael Schumacher ass... ;)
I saw that on the Kung Fu channel on DishNetwork one time. I couldnt believe the CHEST HAIR that Chucky was sporting...

LOL

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Conceptual wrote:I saw that on the Kung Fu channel on DishNetwork one time. I couldnt believe the CHEST HAIR that Chucky was sporting...

LOL
I'm definitely going OOT, hijacking the thread and maybe even trolling, but...

There was a time when men had hair all around their bodies and women were... well, they seemed smart and more rounded.

Women circa 1970: Sofia Loren
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Women circa 2000: Posh Spice
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That was before the FISA/FOCA wars. William Faulkner explained it in a simple way. In those times there were two kinds of men: men who were born to be loved by women and men who were born to be cheated by women. I, of course, was born to be loved and pampered. Today, there is only one kind of men, guess which one. :)

Early Formula One driver, in the good old times, before FIA regulations kicked in
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Formula One Drivers after the world fell apart (non photoshopped photo, I swear). Notice David Coulthard face: he used to be an old style guy, with hair chest
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Slightly on thread, drag tracks can be the favorite of some people that like circuits.

Same goes for rally or hill climbing. Who can compare the relative beauty of Peak's Pike and Spa? Or which one is best, the 33 km of smooth gravel of Ouninpohja in Finland, one of the hardests tracks for rally, or Pomona with its mathematical surface that allows you to put 7.000 hp on the floor?

Ouninpohja jump
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Pomona: a straight line, as engineering goes
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Pike's Peak
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Climb dance: video of Ari Vatanen climbing Pike's Peak

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Chuck's chest hair probably gave Bruce an unfair advantage back then (in terms of aero).

Sorry my ignorance, but is Pike's Peak raced nowadays? If yes then it makes me wonder why it's never mentioned in the media. I heard many times about that race, but all in the past mostly in relation with the legendary cars like Quattro, and 405 and of course seen that classic video.

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I saw that truck come up pikes peak its rather terrifying when it has the back end hung out and you are they only thing between it and a cliff and you are trying to snap pictures

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favorite tracks:

philip island
adel;aide streetcourse
interlagos
old hockenheim
old estoril
old spa
mosport
suzuka
brands hatch
Last Tango In Paris

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Bruce Lee wud have kicked anyone a**e, even Chuck Norris.

I was thinking: Chuck Norris is the stig!:

Some say that when he gives you the finger he's telling you how many seconds left you have to live. And that if you spell his name in scrabble, you win - forever. All we know is he's called Chuck Stig. lol :lol:

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I didn't think about Rally Stages, Add Pikes Peak to my list. And the whole Finnish Rally. Oh, and the Monty. And that stage in the Spanish rally I can't remember that starts with the letter "V", and isn't raced anymore.

Yeh, that one lol.
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Ciro, thanks for the dragsters facts (all I knew about dragsters was about their engines).

Mod: Pike's Peak is raced nowadays. I think last year record was for a Hyundai or something like that (trying to break the less than 10 minutes mark)

There are many videos in Youtube, just type Pike's Peak
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It was a suzuki
it did beat the record but not the 10 min mark

also most of the course is paved now
it used to be almost all gravel when the record was set years ago