2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Vasconia]

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Could be a temporal comeback until Honda builds a good PU? it could easy the pressure over Mclaren but I dont if this can happen.

[Manoah2u]

well, that's the nail in the coffin then. this is deader than dead. what a complete disgrace and what an absolute shamefull work of Honda. this won't do their sales well me thinks.
Next year Mercedes engines in for sure. Sauber will take the shameflag, surely will destroy that team in less than 2 years.

Was hoping for finally some good news. My dear god what a complete disaster.

Here's hoping BMW will step in and fix mclaren into the WCC position, though realistically seen, anybody aspiring to get into F1 as an engine manufacturer is now completely down the drain.

[nzjrs]

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One interesting nugget from the article: "AVL is supposed to have delivered 15 million euros of hardware to Japan"

I guess that is more or less the cost of a chassis dyno? something many people suspect Honda doesn't have (or doesn't have a good enough one).

[SameSame]

25 min in to P2, S2 time from Stoffel very impressive, fastest of anyone bar Ferrari and Merc. Had flow vis on the rear wing, maybe the updates are working? Still 14 kph off vmax though.

Any pictures of flow vis ??

Sorry I can't find any after looking for them, saw it on the live TV feed Stoffel had flow vis on the underside of right hand side of the rear wing. New rear wing being tested probably.

[FrukostScones]

what is the problem with the failures? it is still testing for them, if it is still that bad in October, ok, but right now the level of flak and ALO disloyal sh*ttalk is unbearable.
McLaren seems to handle the whole situation rather bad. Autobild article is pretty revealing.

[Alonso Fan]

what is the problem with the failures? it is still testing for them, if it is still that bad in October, ok, but right now the level of flak and ALO disloyal sh*ttalk is unbearable.
McLaren seems to handle the whole situation rather bad. Autobild article is pretty revealing.

It's about false promises

[adrianjordan]

So whose fault is it? Honda's or McLaren's?

Team sport, so both.... But yeah, Honda's!!

[SameSame]

what is the problem with the failures? it is still testing for them, if it is still that bad in October, ok, but right now the level of flak and ALO disloyal sh*ttalk is unbearable.
McLaren seems to handle the whole situation rather bad. Autobild article is pretty revealing.

They have been "testing" for three years now No other PU manufacturer had even close to this atrocious level of reliability even in their first year with the new PU regs.

F1 is not a charity. The competition doesn't care whether Honda started 3 years late or 3 years early.

The token system seems to not have been the reason for Honda's poor performance. The other manufacturers seemed to have been able to make great strides under the system, it was only ever a hinderance for Honda.

Things will go massively south if things stay as they are reliability wise after the summer break.

[proteus]

what is the problem with the failures? it is still testing for them, if it is still that bad in October, ok, but right now the level of flak and ALO disloyal sh*ttalk is unbearable.
McLaren seems to handle the whole situation rather bad. Autobild article is pretty revealing.

The question is how can u handle the situation when twice out of 4 races youre car was unable to start, and when one of them barely made it twice to the finish, not to mention the 3 steps back they have made with the engine this season, returning to the notorious 15 season level again... 3rd season in a row there is talk about how the engine will be fixed in last stages of the season, there were many talks that this new version will show some results allready in Spain, overall part of the predictions were true afterall, the new unit is the fastest one to fail, giving up in 3 corners...

The situation is not alarming anymore, it is becoming catastrophic. Such a team with such good financial backing cant even finish a race properly.

[Del Boy]

So whose fault is it? Honda's or McLaren's?

Team sport, so both.... But yeah, Honda's!!

It don't take Sherlock Holmes!

[SR71]

Diffuser?

[Sonador]

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Could be a temporal comeback until Honda builds a good PU? it could easy the pressure over Mclaren but I dont if this can happen.

If that were to happen, i think it is a bad move.
Then there are just another customer team, maybe a deal with VAG group would be the better long term deal if they realy want to part with Honda.

I recently was thinking about a comment that Ross Brawn made about his Honda years.
Something about the chassis department vs the engine department.
They were blaming each other, but in the end it was the engine that was lacking.
Brawn made sure everybody knew what must be done in order to win again.

I think this project started with the wrong leadership in place, whitout a good solid plan.
The recources are there, there are very good and talented people in Japan.
Aswell within Mclaren, but this is spiralt out of control. If we believe the media, then the reationship between Mclaren and Honda is beyond repair, that would be pretty dire and unproffesional imo.

I must admit, i am very glad that Brown is at the helm of Mclaren now, i am happy how he acts towards the media regarding the isseus. Must also be a "relief" for the men and women who are working relentless on the engine side.

Regarding Alonso, i get his frustration.
But common, he also could be taking the time to motivate people, especially now when i pressume moral is at a low, maybe just as low as his own moral. I hate it, just as much in his last year at Ferrari. Maybe behind the scenes it is differant, i hope so. It is so sad to see and hear.

I love watching him wrestle a F1 car, it is spectacular, and amazing to see what he can do in a racing car.
Only i wish they were competitive again, performance wil fix everything.

[SR71]

I'm sorry but if Red Bull can win as a customer there is no excuse Mclaren cannot.

Naturally Ron would pronounce a bunch of ronspeak about why he was trying to become a works team and it's a sound philosophy BUT not the only path in F1.

If MAC has half the talent and resources they claim they should be regular winners with a Mercedes lump. End of.

[Alonso Fan]

So whose fault is it? Honda's or McLaren's?

Team sport, so both.... But yeah, Honda's!!

It don't take Sherlock Holmes!

My response was in fact to those who were claiming it could be McLaren's fault for not assembling it properly

[etusch]

I'm sorry but if Red Bull can win as a customer there is no excuse Mclaren cannot.

Naturally Ron would pronounce a bunch of ronspeak about why he was trying to become a works team and it's a sound philosophy BUT not the only path in F1.

If MAC has half the talent and resources they claim they should be regular winners with a Mercedes lump. End of.

Honda move is right decision. There are wrong things in this basically right desicion. May be there are.
I think McLaren have to do deal with Honda first year which merc set their own F1 team. May be mclaren made search of new PU supplier when merc set own team. Probably they had made this search in secret and when Honda decide to come F1 it was too late to develop a competitive PU. İt is just a matter of time.
This kind of depressed statements are instant statements. For example if Alo get his first point at this race that engine failure will be forgot.