2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Thunder]

Maybe the Reason the Update isn't introduced now is because McLaren told them that if it doesn't deliver they may pull the Plug. Just throwing updates out there and see what works isn't an Option so Honda plays it as safely as they can. (however safe that is with their current Track Record of Dyno / Real World Correlation)

[etusch]

Honda has Sauber deal and I am sure they will do good job like they did passing 2015 to 16. May be they will be still 4. in power but competitive enough. They can sell more engines and can work with Williams 2019. At the end Honda is power supplier. Mclaren's condition harder

[marmer]

zak brown is on the board of Cosworth. perhaps they have been working on something lots of talent there and all they do is make engines for a buyer to a spec asked for i am sure they could manage something like a Renault power levels especially if they have most of the design ideas. would be too late for 2018 you would think however.

unless they have got a working version that just needs money and a green light to develop

[fellowhoodlums]

If the current engine design isn't going to change in 2018 then I think Honda will get there. Sure it's soul destroying watching this unreliable, underpowered system but, it'll come good. They improved in 2016 with the 2015 design and by end they were best of the rest. If history repeats then by end of 2017 ....... I know it's a lot of pain and a year late but 2018 could be the delivery year.

[etusch]

zak brown is on the board of Cosworth. perhaps they have been working on something lots of talent there and all they do is make engines for a buyer to a spec asked for i am sure they could manage something like a Renault power levels especially if they have most of the design ideas. would be too late for 2018 you would think however.

unless they have got a working version that just needs money and a green light to develop

A Coswort deal is making same mistake twice if it is mistake working with Honda and need to change to Honda.
Renault, it is in same condition of Honda.
That is not just preparing PU for 2018. Can Cosworth better than ferrari and Renault and can do competitive PU even 2019. I don't think so
Mclaren's only option is merc if they accept to give PU. And all income is being Q3s and podiums. Being a company for making money more than being racing team

[Thunder]

And if 2018 isn't the Year surely in 2019 they'll come good right? It's time to deliver, not to promise. I would like for McLaren and Honda to become competitive together but as Zak said, the Shareholders are feeling the Heat and if they are losing Money even with all the $$$ Honda is pumping in and no sign of Light at the End of the Tunnel... well they will make the Cut.

[ZakB]

And if 2018 isn't the Year surely in 2019 they'll come good right? It's time to deliver, not to promise. I would like for McLaren and Honda to become competitive together but as Zak said, the Shareholders are feeling the Heat and if they are losing Money even with all the $$$ Honda is pumping in and no sign of Light at the End of the Tunnel... well they will make the Cut.

Well at least they sold twice as many cars as in 2015.

[bauc]

Well at least they sold twice as many cars as in 2015.


Mclaren Automotive is separate entity from Mclaren F1 team, so its irrelevant in this topic regarding the future/current PU supplier

[marmer]

They make their own car engines these days I don't see when they can't lose honda and do it themselves it couldn't be worse at the moment

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[santos]

They make their own car engines these days I don't see when they can't lose honda and do it themselves it couldn't be worse at the moment

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i don't think it is built by Mclaren. I think it is built by Ricardo.

[marmer]

Well even so the engines in the road cars are turbo hybrids with just 2 extra cylinders and larger volume made by a private company just for them. How hard could it be for them to lose 2 cylinders and smaller volume. By the time it's been made into a race spec engine most of the lost power would be made up by tighter tolerance and getting rid of road relevant bits

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[etusch]

Well even so the engines in the road cars are turbo hybrids with just 2 extra cylinders and larger volume made by a private company just for them. How hard could it be for them to lose 2 cylinders and smaller volume. By the time it's been made into a race spec engine most of the lost power would be made up by tighter tolerance and getting rid of road relevant bits

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İt is that simple but they intentionally do not do that.

[Andres125sx]

They make their own car engines these days I don't see when they can't lose honda and do it themselves it couldn't be worse at the moment

Well even so the engines in the road cars are turbo hybrids with just 2 extra cylinders and larger volume made by a private company just for them. How hard could it be for them to lose 2 cylinders and smaller volume. By the time it's been made into a race spec engine most of the lost power would be made up by tighter tolerance and getting rid of road relevant bits

Wow designing, developing and manufacturing a F1 PU is that easy?. Then I think I´ll use my household savings to lend a hand to McLaren so they can get rid of those useless japaneese who know nothing about engines

[shryr]

They make their own car engines these days I don't see when they can't lose honda and do it themselves it couldn't be worse at the moment

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No they do not build their own car engines. Their only road-car engine is based on an old Nissan engine and is built by Ricardo

[shryr]

Well even so the engines in the road cars are turbo hybrids with just 2 extra cylinders and larger volume made by a private company just for them. How hard could it be for them to lose 2 cylinders and smaller volume. By the time it's been made into a race spec engine most of the lost power would be made up by tighter tolerance and getting rid of road relevant bits

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How hard could it be? Millions of dollars in R&D, millions of dollars in equipment and infrastructure. Thousands of man-hours. Hundreds of new hires with years of experience in very specific skills