2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[etusch]

There's a couple of reasons for this difference. One unit is fully turned up because it's testing the new update and one is turned down because it's the older spec. And we are comparing a fully turned up Honda engine to the teams who haven't even turned the wick up on there's because it's Friday. The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

Can you give the link where you read that they will not use this PU anymore?

Comon man, used again this weekend.

Now it is ok. Without "this weekend" it is not.
You must see the reason. You can be someone doesn't like Honda but you don't need to be so pesimist.

[Phil]

How many times has the Honda engine broke? A lot more than the gearbox so it's pretty easy to understand why people would think it's the engine especially with all that smoke. Let's not forget Honda have already gone through there entire engine allocation and we are not even half way through the season

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

It would be logical if those failures came with big performance jumps maybe. But it's currently still a thirsty underpowered and unreliable engine. It started off worse than last years engine and in both power and reliability. It's only taken 4 engines to get back up to that sub-bar level again. But let's applaud that and the fact this engine has helped McLaren to the bottom of the championship. Bravo

This season is a write off, like it or not. The aim should be to find a clear path of what works, no matter the cost. Testing is limited, last year engine development through tokens. This year it isnt, only by number of engines. If it gets them to the top, i'd treat every single session as a testing ground, at least on one of the cars till the season is over, if that is what it takes....

[diffuser]

This season is a write off, like it or not. The aim should be to find a clear path of what works, no matter the cost. Testing is limited, last year engine development through tokens. This year it isnt, only by number of engines. If it gets them to the top, i'd treat every single session as a testing ground, at least on one of the cars till the season is over, if that is what it takes....

Phil saw his shadow ...the season is a write off!


It's been along 3 years ...

[diffuser]

Sorry Phil you're from Switzerland, might need this to get he joke ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punxsutawney_Phil

[ZakB]

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

It would be logical if those failures came with big performance jumps maybe. But it's currently still a thirsty underpowered and unreliable engine. It started off worse than last years engine and in both power and reliability. It's only taken 4 engines to get back up to that sub-bar level again. But let's applaud that and the fact this engine has helped McLaren to the bottom of the championship. Bravo

This season is a write off, like it or not. The aim should be to find a clear path of what works, no matter the cost. Testing is limited, last year engine development through tokens. This year it isnt, only by number of engines. If it gets them to the top, i'd treat every single session as a testing ground, at least on one of the cars till the season is over, if that is what it takes....

Why is it a write off? They only need some more horses and reliability.

[Phil]

Sorry Phil you're from Switzerland, might need this to get he joke ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punxsutawney_Phil

Lol, haha! thanks for that!

[Andres125sx]

The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

I think that´s not the problem. Since testing is banned the only way to test a new engine is in FP, so I think they probably are getting some real world data before dialing in the millions parameters they need to make the whole PU work toghether, or testing on track their first setups to get real world parameters and then verify what works best

I felt prettty dissapointed after reading the new PU will not be used anymore this GP, but considering testing is banned, I understand this is just the final stage of the spec 3.0 development before using it without restrictions

And sincerely, I´m excited. The improvement is noticeable, a new PU will get better and better during the first GPs while it´s optimized, and this is not the full spec 3.0 only part of it

[Andres125sx]

Whit Mercedes PU as well as same engine maps and software and same fuel&lub suplier as works Merc team i dont see why not

Because Mercedes will give them same engine maps and fuel....

If they are not chickens...yes.

This is F1, there are no chickens, only business men who are not very keen to invest millions to let some other team beat them with their own product. Specially with this PUs wich are so complicated there must be a million ways to decrease power/efficiency of the customers PUs at will, even without breaking any rule

[McL-H]

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

It would be logical if those failures came with big performance jumps maybe. But it's currently still a thirsty underpowered and unreliable engine. It started off worse than last years engine and in both power and reliability. It's only taken 4 engines to get back up to that sub-bar level again. But let's applaud that and the fact this engine has helped McLaren to the bottom of the championship. Bravo

Looks like you are quite keen to see the back of Honda, aren't u? The improvement isn't small and Honda should be applauded for that.

I disagree. Honda has become a dissatisfier. It is expected to work, like PUs of the three conpetitors. Speaking in terms of reliability and power. As long as this is not achieved, Honda dissatisfies. Steps forward are to be expected after 3 years, and are not worth applauding for. The McLaren-Honda partnership should have been winning races by now.

[Singabule]

What an idiot journalist, compare speed with tow and without tow. Mclhonda news is saleable i guess. So MCL transmission couldnt handle the power so that they are reverting to older spec, and still save MCL back in the front of media. Honda is so polite Man! They are not so beautiful wife but very patience with MCL

[Ganxxta]

Someone has to make a compilation of Alonso going "engine, engine" on the radio with a disappointed voice.

Here you go, unfortunately not up to date...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cDWRyw4Gqw

Has some nice quotes in there, especially the last one poor guy


Anyway, I don't understand why they want to go back to old spec PU for the race?
It doesn't make any sense, they start last anyway, the old PU is not reliable either, so in my opinion it would be better to use the new one and get some more race data.
Whats the worse thing that can happen? It will blew up, so no different to old spec.
At least they would have more power until that point.

[RedNEO]

The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

I think that´s not the problem. Since testing is banned the only way to test a new engine is in FP, so I think they probably are getting some real world data before dialing in the millions parameters they need to make the whole PU work toghether, or testing on track their first setups to get real world parameters and then verify what works best

I felt prettty dissapointed after reading the new PU will not be used anymore this GP, but considering testing is banned, I understand this is just the final stage of the spec 3.0 development before using it without restrictions

And sincerely, I´m excited. The improvement is noticeable, a new PU will get better and better during the first GPs while it´s optimized, and this is not the full spec 3.0 only part of it

I can't say I'm surprised your excited since I've seen your previous posts. You said McLaren should wait to see Honda's big upgrade before they decide. After 6 months they deliver a 10bhp improvement. So let's say optimistic projection they manage to get another 10bhp by the end of the year. Then let's account to all the other teams improving there own engines by let's say another 10bhp this year. That means even if Mercedes stood still until the next engine formula Honda still wouldn't be able to match there engine from this year alone. We haven't even got into reliability and fuel consumption. But you go ahead and be excited I won't ruin your enthusiasm for Honda one day making a good engine but I'm just being realistic and McLaren sees it the same way that's why they are moving forwards with plan b.

[RedNEO]

Someone has to make a compilation of Alonso going "engine, engine" on the radio with a disappointed voice.

Here you go, unfortunately not up to date...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cDWRyw4Gqw

Has some nice quotes in there, especially the last one poor guy


Anyway, I don't understand why they want to go back to old spec PU for the race?
It doesn't make any sense, they start last anyway, the old PU is not reliable either, so in my opinion it would be better to use the new one and get some more race data.
Whats the worse thing that can happen? It will blew up, so no different to old spec.
At least they would have more power until that point.

Because they probably know it will break down they are too scared. This way atleast they will convince some Honda enthusiast the update was some kind of great success.

[ZakB]

The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

I think that´s not the problem. Since testing is banned the only way to test a new engine is in FP, so I think they probably are getting some real world data before dialing in the millions parameters they need to make the whole PU work toghether, or testing on track their first setups to get real world parameters and then verify what works best

I felt prettty dissapointed after reading the new PU will not be used anymore this GP, but considering testing is banned, I understand this is just the final stage of the spec 3.0 development before using it without restrictions

And sincerely, I´m excited. The improvement is noticeable, a new PU will get better and better during the first GPs while it´s optimized, and this is not the full spec 3.0 only part of it

I can't say I'm surprised your excited since I've seen your previous posts. You said McLaren should wait to see Honda's big upgrade before they decide. After 6 months they deliver a 10bhp improvement. So let's say optimistic projection they manage to get another 10bhp by the end of the year. Then let's account to all the other teams improving there own engines by let's say another 10bhp this year. That means even if Mercedes stood still until the next engine formula Honda still wouldn't be able to match there engine from this year alone. We haven't even got into reliability and fuel consumption. But you go ahead and be excited I won't ruin your enthusiasm for Honda one day making a good engine but I'm just being realistic and McLaren sees it the same way that's why they are moving forwards with plan b.

Who says it's 10bhp?

[RedNEO]

I think that´s not the problem. Since testing is banned the only way to test a new engine is in FP, so I think they probably are getting some real world data before dialing in the millions parameters they need to make the whole PU work toghether, or testing on track their first setups to get real world parameters and then verify what works best

I felt prettty dissapointed after reading the new PU will not be used anymore this GP, but considering testing is banned, I understand this is just the final stage of the spec 3.0 development before using it without restrictions

And sincerely, I´m excited. The improvement is noticeable, a new PU will get better and better during the first GPs while it´s optimized, and this is not the full spec 3.0 only part of it

I can't say I'm surprised your excited since I've seen your previous posts. You said McLaren should wait to see Honda's big upgrade before they decide. After 6 months they deliver a 10bhp improvement. So let's say optimistic projection they manage to get another 10bhp by the end of the year. Then let's account to all the other teams improving there own engines by let's say another 10bhp this year. That means even if Mercedes stood still until the next engine formula Honda still wouldn't be able to match there engine from this year alone. We haven't even got into reliability and fuel consumption. But you go ahead and be excited I won't ruin your enthusiasm for Honda one day making a good engine but I'm just being realistic and McLaren sees it the same way that's why they are moving forwards with plan b.

Who says it's 10bhp?

Good point, it might be even less. I mean 10bhp is nothing to write home about when your miles away. That's barely a tenth of a second lol