2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[godlameroso]

I seriously doubt they'll take Mercedes power, I still think it's a bluff to push Honda into delivering updates. If the power unit were an RPG game, it's just at the stage where you need potions to heal and eating 50 cheese wheels doesn't cut it any more. And you're no longer getting killed by rats, skeletons, and mud crabs, and maybe you can last against a low level dragon if you play your cards right. In contrast Ferrari and Mercedes can hide in plain sight, and one hit kill most enemies.

https://youtu.be/tOJyoreUHY8?t=3m4s

[Vasconia]

Is it really? What gives a bigger gain? .3 on the straights or .5 in the curves?

In the v10 era it was a high downforce track.

Remi Taffin, Renault Engine Technical Director

“It is quite a power sensitive track and it probably will be in line with Baku in terms of performance expectations. We will consolidate the power improvement made for Baku and aim to deliver more. There is no big plan with brand new upgrades, just continual improvement of the entire package. The altitude of the track will be a challenge as the turbo will spin faster to generate the required induction, so that’s something we’ll monitor. Experiencing a trouble-free weekend will bring points.”

I'll take Taffin's word for it

Also; this could be the true test of the new MGU-H/Turbo with the higher altitude as Taffin points out.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/head ... uotes.html

That´s pretty underwhelming for any Renault fan. I sincerely think that their PU needs a bigger update than a mere constant improvement. They are far behind Ferrari and Mercedes.

I think that the good chasis and the good braking stability will help McLaren in Austria. If the PU development Works well they could collect some points.

Rain would be more than welcome, though.

[Thunder]

I expect that McLaren will be quite strong in quali, but they will drop places in the race.

Just keep Kimi and Fernando out of each others Way....

[harjan]

Bluff? McLaren has suffered quite some damage by missing out constructors points and championship, and their road car image will start to get affected somewhere down the line.

I can think of 2 reasons why they would want the Mercedes engine in the Hungary test;

1. Customer engines are lacking ultimate grunt in comparison to the Mercedes team because of software. McLaren is really good at software, so if they get early access to it they could start their own software development program (a bit like Red Bull with Tag/Renault).

2. Commercially and legally it could be highly interesting for them to have a back to back test between the Honda and the Mercedes engine. If the Mercedes engine indeed proofs so much better than the Honda engine, it could build McLarens claim that Honda breached the contract by delivering such a under par engine.

McLaren wants out of this contract asap, but you bet that they're still highly interested in the 100 million usd yearly payouts by Honda..

[Facts Only]

1. Customer engines are lacking ultimate grunt in comparison to the Mercedes team because of software. McLaren is really good at software, so if they get early access to it

Where does this BS keep coming from? Its completely untrue. All Metc teams get exactly the same. And one of the (many) reasons that teams dont get to cock about with engines is because of the previous point (they will only make it worse anyway)

[Craigy]

1. Customer engines are lacking ultimate grunt in comparison to the Mercedes team because of software. McLaren is really good at software, so if they get early access to it

Where does this BS keep coming from? Its completely untrue. All Metc teams get exactly the same. And one of the (many) reasons that teams dont get to cock about with engines is because of the previous point (they will only make it worse anyway)

It probably comes from Merc apparently having the ability to run their PU harder in Q3.

Having the same software doesn't mean that all the PUs for a given manufacturer are mapped the same way, does it?

[wuzak]

1. Customer engines are lacking ultimate grunt in comparison to the Mercedes team because of software. McLaren is really good at software, so if they get early access to it

Where does this BS keep coming from? Its completely untrue. All Metc teams get exactly the same. And one of the (many) reasons that teams dont get to cock about with engines is because of the previous point (they will only make it worse anyway)

It probably comes from Merc apparently having the ability to run their PU harder in Q3.

Having the same software doesn't mean that all the PUs for a given manufacturer are mapped the same way, does it?

The customers run them more conservative so as to avoid buying extra units.

[aran.vtec]

1. Customer engines are lacking ultimate grunt in comparison to the Mercedes team because of software. McLaren is really good at software, so if they get early access to it

Where does this BS keep coming from? Its completely untrue. All Metc teams get exactly the same. And one of the (many) reasons that teams dont get to cock about with engines is because of the previous point (they will only make it worse anyway)

It probably comes from Merc apparently having the ability to run their PU harder in Q3.

Having the same software doesn't mean that all the PUs for a given manufacturer are mapped the same way, does it?

This was one of the reasons Ron Dennis said the move to honda was made, Even with the hardware upgrades the customer teams only receive them 2-3 GPs later

And from being a "works" merc team to becoming a customer team i'm sure they were in the best position to see the difference.

[alexa]

Evan if all custom teams are using engine the same way as Merc,they (Merc) will prevail again because the way they integrate engine and chassis.Engine it's custom built to best suit chassis and it specification.

[godlameroso]

I expect that McLaren will be quite strong in quali, but they will drop places in the race.

Even with the updates, their fuel efficiency is still in the toilet?

[Thunder]

Don't expect sizeable Progress in Efficiency until the Big Update gets introduced.

[Vasconia]

Don't expect sizeable Progress in Efficiency until the Big Update gets introduced.

They aren´t efficient indeed, but I would say that its slightly better than in previous seasons. Or its a false perception?

[Singabule]

I have a good feeling with the updates, since reliability equals to performance and performance could lead to efficiency in this formula. Still far from other 2 but i feel honda can catch renault after mid season. Rarely honda decleare they are confident to media

[Andres125sx]

Still far from other 2 but i feel honda can catch renault after mid season.

I sincerely think Renault is underrated today. I don´t think they´re far at all from Ferrari and Mercedes, check last two races at power tracks, several Mercedes PUs didn´t manage to pass some Renault PU despite DRS and the tow. Obviously they´re still behind, but they´ve catch up drastically during the season to the point they can keep in front of a Mercedes powered car even at the long straights of Baku and Montreal

I think if Honda could provide a PU similar to Renault, McLaren should fight for podiums

[GoranF1]

Boulier and Hasegawa confirm Spec 3 PU and chassis updates in "not so power sensitive" Austria.