2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[diffuser]

Don't expect sizeable Progress in Efficiency until the Big Update gets introduced.

They aren´t efficient indeed, but I would say that its slightly better than in previous seasons. Or its a false perception?

Weren't as they will be moving to spec 3 in the next race.
We'll need to reevaluate. Moving target.

[AMG.Tzan]

Still can't really understand why McLaren and Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

[GoranF1]

Still can't really understand why Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

Different cooling needs?

[AMG.Tzan]

Still can't really understand why Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

Different cooling needs?

You mean the 2016 engine would require a revised chassis?

[GoranF1]

Still can't really understand why Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

Different cooling needs?

You mean the 2016 engine would require a revised chassis?

I dont know maybe...its different layout engine completly.

[Wil992]

Still can't really understand why Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

If the new engine is completely different size/shape/weight/c of g etc, there's No way they'd be able to package it in a 2017 car in a meaningful way. Any aero development they did would be a lottery whether it worked when they put the '17 engine back in and thus changed the size/shape/weight/c of g of the car, plus they wouldn't have had all data they have from the running/breaking they have done.
And, added to that, isn't one of the big problems the lack of correlation between dyno and track, so if all season long they'd been dyno testing, they could easily be in a position where they stick the 17 engine in around now, only to find all the reliability issues they've had that they weren't expecting.

[garrett]

Had to be done with a modification of 2016 car, but that was impossible due to regulation changes; and the diskrepancy between dyno and track performance was not foreseeable at this stage.

[GhostF1]

Don't expect sizeable Progress in Efficiency until the Big Update gets introduced.

They aren´t efficient indeed, but I would say that its slightly better than in previous seasons. Or its a false perception?

Weren't as they will be moving to spec 3 in the next race.
We'll need to reevaluate. Moving target.

Agreed, especially considering a named component in the upgrade is revised fuel injectors. And as we know, a power bump brings efficiency gains, so it's reasonable to suggest it will be at least be an improvement this race.

[wuzak]

Still can't really understand why Honda didn't use last year's engine for the first 4-5 races! Spec 2 seemed as powerful as last year's engine with a lot more unreliability! Only through reliability they would have got some points! I think Renault almost did the same!

As other posters have said, it wouldn't have fit in the same space as the new power unit.

However, they could have started with the old combustion concept and the new turbine/mguh/compressor assembly in order to maximise the early season reliability and time to perfect the new combustion concept.

But it is moot, since they didn't.

Now, maybe, they are where they ought to have been back in testing in February.

[Singabule]

Hasegawa explain that 2016 compressor just too small to implement with New combustion concept. And the engine far too heavy and has high COG to be competitive. Imagine they shaved 2kgs on exhaust alone on spec 3.5 2016. Move on guys!

[Vasconia]

They aren´t efficient indeed, but I would say that its slightly better than in previous seasons. Or its a false perception?

Weren't as they will be moving to spec 3 in the next race.
We'll need to reevaluate. Moving target.

Agreed, especially considering a named component in the upgrade is revised fuel injectors. And as we know, a power bump brings efficiency gains, so it's reasonable to suggest it will be at least be an improvement this race.

Both Alonso and Hasegawa sound reasonably optimistic for this race. I hope they are right this time.

[GoranF1]

PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory

[Vasconia]

PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory

How much would you win? man, I can put a couple of euros and become a fan of Alonso for a day.

[santos]

PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory

Even if it rains... you should say that everybody had crashed in the first corner, and only the Mclarens and the Saubers survived.

[godlameroso]

Gap in Canada was 2.2 seconds, gap in Baku was over 3 seconds. A few tenths won't make much difference. They need to find 2 seconds to have any real impact.