2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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mrluke wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:56
A considered post but there is not enough data available to demonstrate the Honda engine even has a deficit to the Renault PU powering the competitive Red Bull.

We cant just assume that it is because the team's PR statements say it is. But it looks like Mclaren have now signed up with Honda for next year and blocked supply of Sauber. Presumably because this would show Mclaren's claims to be false.
Honda need more cars running their power units especially as the Mclaren is so fragile. If Honda get more testing / development / mileagfe then Mclaren will get a better PU.

The continued insistence on exclusivity is shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly.

Really? You can't be serious.

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mrluke wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:56
A considered post but there is not enough data available to demonstrate the Honda engine even has a deficit to the Renault PU powering the competitive Red Bull.

We cant just assume that it is because the team's PR statements say it is. But it looks like Mclaren have now signed up with Honda for next year and blocked supply of Sauber. Presumably because this would show Mclaren's claims to be false. Honda need more cars running their power units especially as the Mclaren is so fragile. If Honda get more testing / development / mileagfe then Mclaren will get a better PU.

The continued insistence on exclusivity is shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly.
Well Hasegawa said it. He said the 3.0 upgrade will not bring it close to the other 3. He's hoping for that in the next update.

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This year, even more so than the last few years, their form has been entirely dependent on the power sensitivity of the track. Look at how well they did in Barcelona and Monaco relative to pole, compared to Bahrain, Sochi and Baku.

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makecry wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 23:02
mrluke wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:56
A considered post but there is not enough data available to demonstrate the Honda engine even has a deficit to the Renault PU powering the competitive Red Bull.

We cant just assume that it is because the team's PR statements say it is. But it looks like Mclaren have now signed up with Honda for next year and blocked supply of Sauber. Presumably because this would show Mclaren's claims to be false.
Honda need more cars running their power units especially as the Mclaren is so fragile. If Honda get more testing / development / mileagfe then Mclaren will get a better PU.

The continued insistence on exclusivity is shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly.

Really? You can't be serious.
Was thinking the same thing. There seems to be a guarantee of a nonsense post on each page.
The power of Red Bull Powertrains!

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mrluke wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:56
A considered post but there is not enough data available to demonstrate the Honda engine even has a deficit to the Renault PU powering the competitive Red Bull.

We cant just assume that it is because the team's PR statements say it is. But it looks like Mclaren have now signed up with Honda for next year and blocked supply of Sauber. Presumably because this would show Mclaren's claims to be false. Honda need more cars running their power units especially as the Mclaren is so fragile. If Honda get more testing / development / mileagfe then Mclaren will get a better PU.

The continued insistence on exclusivity is shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly.
I wouldn't believe that. McLaren couldn't block it if they wanted to. FIA rules.

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For the ones that were saying Stoffel should have done better because he had the new spec and Fernando didn't.

Vandoorne:
A lot of people were asking me about the 'Spec 3' engine, and how different it was from the 'Spec 2' used by Fernando.

To be honest, in terms of performance, there wasn't any significant difference from the cockpit and also data confirmed this feeling: there is still a lot of work to be done to fine-tune the settings before we can get the real benefit from it.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vand ... en-929899/

*** Jef goes hiding in a corner and waits for someone to stand up and say this is PR nonsense now. ***

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Tobi usually is right on the spot with his info, so speculations will fly high till mid October, however despite the fact that I'm super disappointed about the fact the HONDA so far failed to deliver, I still hope for them to make it work and win with Mclaren.
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I have met some of my Mclaren heroes yesterday.
There is a Mclaren exhibition in the Louwman Museum in the Hague and went there to see some F1 cars.

I have been following F1 ever since i was a little kid, i cleary remember the Senna crash, and Schumacher pulling all those moves. The epic battles between Hakkinnen and Schumacher, and many more memories.

But i have never ever seen a F1 car in real live and up close, i have never had the chance or money to go see one.
There was a Senna car that had won 4 races in a championship year, a Hakinnen champion car from 1998, Hamiltons champion car from 2008.
A mp4-30, and so much more goodness from Mclaren.
Amazing and unreal to see some of my favoroutie cars after al those years of watching them on the television.

Sometimes because all of the struggles and blamegaming thru the media and also this forum you forget just what a great team Mclaren was. They know how to build a F1 car and win with it.

I just hope they can get their acts together, and start building a championship winning team instead of all this talk in the media.
Sorry if it is a bit misplaced here, but i am just struggling/sad to see the decline of this amazing F1 team Honda included.

I really hope they stay in F1.

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makecry wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 23:02
mrluke wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:56
A considered post but there is not enough data available to demonstrate the Honda engine even has a deficit to the Renault PU powering the competitive Red Bull.

We cant just assume that it is because the team's PR statements say it is. But it looks like Mclaren have now signed up with Honda for next year and blocked supply of Sauber. Presumably because this would show Mclaren's claims to be false.
Honda need more cars running their power units especially as the Mclaren is so fragile. If Honda get more testing / development / mileagfe then Mclaren will get a better PU.

The continued insistence on exclusivity is shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly.

Really? You can't be serious.
Totally agree.

Honda should be able to produce a very good PU with all the modern "tools" available.

Having another team should just be an added bonus.

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People calling for Honda to quit F1 really have no idea of the kind of damage that would cause to the sport. If their current situation is already making other manufacturers wary of joining F1, Honda exiting would pretty much take F1 off the table entirely. While for the layman it seems that Honda is just that incompetent, the reality is just that it's really that hard to catch up. Manufacturers know that if Honda with all their resources are having a hard time, they would very likely not fare much better.

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Squid wrote:
13 Jul 2017, 15:41
People calling for Honda to quit F1 really have no idea of the kind of damage that would cause to the sport. If their current situation is already making other manufacturers wary of joining F1, Honda exiting would pretty much take F1 off the table entirely. While for the layman it seems that Honda is just that incompetent, the reality is just that it's really that hard to catch up. Manufacturers know that if Honda with all their resources are having a hard time, they would very likely not fare much better.
You are right but its clear that they could learn from Honda´s mistakess:

1. You need to take more time to build a good hybrid PU before you join the competition.
2. You need to work together with the chasis manufacturer(the team) and not trying to do everything in your own.

Those have been the biggest mistakes made by Honda IMO. Meanwhile Porsche thinks about joining F1 in 2021 if I am not wrong, I guess they won´t make the same mistakes.

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Vasconia wrote:
13 Jul 2017, 15:59
Squid wrote:
13 Jul 2017, 15:41
People calling for Honda to quit F1 really have no idea of the kind of damage that would cause to the sport. If their current situation is already making other manufacturers wary of joining F1, Honda exiting would pretty much take F1 off the table entirely. While for the layman it seems that Honda is just that incompetent, the reality is just that it's really that hard to catch up. Manufacturers know that if Honda with all their resources are having a hard time, they would very likely not fare much better.
You are right but its clear that they could learn from Honda´s mistakess:

1. You need to take more time to build a good hybrid PU before you join the competition.
2. You need to work together with the chasis manufacturer(the team) and not trying to do everything in your own.

Those have been the biggest mistakes made by Honda IMO. Meanwhile Porsche thinks about joining F1 in 2021 if I am not wrong, I guess they won´t make the same mistakes.
There is a problem with those 2 points.

The first one is that Honda wanted one more year before returning, but McLaren pushed them to join earlier than they wanted because their Mercedes partnership was running out after 2014.

The second is that they did work together with the chassis manufacturer. So much so in fact that they made their flawed size zero engine in order to fit it on McLaren's tiny chassis, as McLaren insisted on giving Peter Prodromou, their designer and Newey's protegé, as much freedom as possible to come up with the best aero. As Wazari stated in the Honda PU thread, he'd never seen an engine made to tailor a chassis before, usually it's the other way around.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alon ... ne-930062/

Alonso is taking a Spec 3 with an old MGU-H, the penalty comes from new batteries.
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Does Rikardo the company that makes Mclaren road car engines....have the resources to build F1 PU?
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