2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[diffuser]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/885460213171703809

Tobi usually is right on the spot with his info, so speculations will fly high till mid October, however despite the fact that I'm super disappointed about the fact the HONDA so far failed to deliver, I still hope for them to make it work and win with Mclaren.

Comes days after Hasegawa said Honda just had a board meeting and there was no talk of Honda leaving before the end of the contract with McLaren.

Do I beleive Hasegawa or Mr Air?

I call MAJOR BS!

[ALO_Power]

Santander sponsorship on Button's (2017) overalls at the Silverstone F1 Live Event. Neither Alonso nor Vandoorne had it though. Any idea?

[gary123]

Santander sponsorship on Button's (2017) overalls at the Silverstone F1 Live Event. Neither Alonso nor Vandoorne had it though. Any idea?
https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/f ... k=CGe_f5_B

Because Jenson is the Santander Ambassador in the UK and Santader pays McLaren only for that.

[fellowhoodlums]

Looks like a 5 place penalty for the energy store for Silverstone plus.....reading between the lines, I suspect after Fri practice they will examine the MGU-H as normal and will see if the bearings are holding up...if not....replace it and more penalties.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... gp-penalty

[Sonador]

Does Rikardo the company that makes Mclaren road car engines....have the resources to build F1 PU?

No i don't think so, but maybe Cosworth does?

[zeph]

Santander sponsorship on Button's (2017) overalls at the Silverstone F1 Live Event. Neither Alonso nor Vandoorne had it though. Any idea?
https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/f ... k=CGe_f5_B

Because Jenson is the Santander Ambassador in the UK and Santader pays McLaren only for that.

Didn't he drive one of the older McLarens for the event? Maybe wearing the old uniform was part of it?

[proteus]

Santander sponsorship on Button's (2017) overalls at the Silverstone F1 Live Event. Neither Alonso nor Vandoorne had it though. Any idea?
https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/f ... k=CGe_f5_B

Because Jenson is the Santander Ambassador in the UK and Santader pays McLaren only for that.

Didn't he drive one of the older McLarens for the event? Maybe wearing the old uniform was part of it?

Jenson still did commercials for Santander after he was replaced by Vandoorne. It is interesting though, that Button was chosen instead of Fernando, since Fernando is a spaniard.

[etusch]

Because Jenson is the Santander Ambassador in the UK and Santader pays McLaren only for that.

Didn't he drive one of the older McLarens for the event? Maybe wearing the old uniform was part of it?

Jenson still did commercials for Santander after he was replaced by Vandoorne. It is interesting though, that Button was chosen instead of Fernando, since Fernando is a spaniard.

Why? If your target is england market you will choose an english

[adrianjordan]

Because Jenson is the Santander Ambassador in the UK and Santader pays McLaren only for that.

Didn't he drive one of the older McLarens for the event? Maybe wearing the old uniform was part of it?

Jenson still did commercials for Santander after he was replaced by Vandoorne. It is interesting though, that Button was chosen instead of Fernando, since Fernando is a spaniard.

Not that strange, Santander has a number of high profile British sports personalities that it uses for PR work in the UK. Makes perfect sense for Jenson to be one of them...not so much the spaniard Alonso...especially with the anti-Europe sentiments in some of the UK populus at the moment...

[alexa]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/885460213171703809

Tobi usually is right on the spot with his info, so speculations will fly high till mid October, however despite the fact that I'm super disappointed about the fact the HONDA so far failed to deliver, I still hope for them to make it work and win with Mclaren.

Comes days after Hasegawa said Honda just had a board meeting and there was no talk of Honda leaving before the end of the contract with McLaren.

Do I beleive Hasegawa or Mr Air?

I call MAJOR BS!

They already started to work on 2018 engine.

[Lucky]

McLaren has the agreement for the supply of German Power Unit for 2018
http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2017/07 ... ltima.html

Honda go home

[Vasconia]

People calling for Honda to quit F1 really have no idea of the kind of damage that would cause to the sport. If their current situation is already making other manufacturers wary of joining F1, Honda exiting would pretty much take F1 off the table entirely. While for the layman it seems that Honda is just that incompetent, the reality is just that it's really that hard to catch up. Manufacturers know that if Honda with all their resources are having a hard time, they would very likely not fare much better.

You are right but its clear that they could learn from Honda´s mistakess:

1. You need to take more time to build a good hybrid PU before you join the competition.
2. You need to work together with the chasis manufacturer(the team) and not trying to do everything in your own.

Those have been the biggest mistakes made by Honda IMO. Meanwhile Porsche thinks about joining F1 in 2021 if I am not wrong, I guess they won´t make the same mistakes.

There is a problem with those 2 points.

The first one is that Honda wanted one more year before returning, but McLaren pushed them to join earlier than they wanted because their Mercedes partnership was running out after 2014.

The second is that they did work together with the chassis manufacturer. So much so in fact that they made their flawed size zero engine in order to fit it on McLaren's tiny chassis, as McLaren insisted on giving Peter Prodromou, their designer and Newey's protegé, as much freedom as possible to come up with the best aero. As Wazari stated in the Honda PU thread, he'd never seen an engine made to tailor a chassis before, usually it's the other way around.

1. True, in that case I should blame McLaren. You are right.
2. Yes, but I was refering to the development process where it seems that Honda has insisted to do things in their own even when it was clear that they were going nowhere.

Don´t get me wrong, McLaren has to be blamed too in this situation.

[Thunder]

Tobi usually is right on the spot with his info, so speculations will fly high till mid October, however despite the fact that I'm super disappointed about the fact the HONDA so far failed to deliver, I still hope for them to make it work and win with Mclaren.

Comes days after Hasegawa said Honda just had a board meeting and there was no talk of Honda leaving before the end of the contract with McLaren.

Do I beleive Hasegawa or Mr Air?

I call MAJOR BS!

They already started to work on 2018 engine.

They also had a 2009 Car completely developed......

[Jef Patat]

Some positivism in the world

[kaepernickus]

McLaren has the agreement for the supply of German Power Unit for 2018
http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2017/07 ... ltima.html

Honda go home

According to a website I've never heard before, I'll wait for something more official or at least slightly more founded.