2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Sayeman]

Zak:
-"We're a big team that knows how to win races and championships so I think most of the teams, while it's a shame to see where we are, they like us where we are," Brown told Sky Sports News' Craig Slater. "They don't want to get us too close to them which is understandable."
- "we ultimately think that Honda can get the job done".

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... m=referral

For me, mclaren honda is already confirmed for 2018. I hope the "rumors" stop. (It's very tiring to read the same thing every day)

Was there ever any doubt? Mclaren is in the same situation as Alonso..There is no better alternative available right now.

[BeardedAce]

Whatever FIA does they have to grant concessions to newcomers in the next Engine era. New PU manufacturers should granted more engines, unlimited testing and more fuel until they score a win or three podiums in a year or so. This will cut down the development cycle for newcomers. F1 would've been a lot more interesting if McLaren, Redbull, Ferrari and Merc all were fighting at the front.

[GoranF1]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

[nzjrs]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

Not realistic.

[ZakB]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

The only thing McLaren needs to do is force Honda to sign experts from other teams, biggest problems will be solved within 6-7 months.

[Mad]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

If they had the money they would've done it already.

[drunkf1fan]

Whatever FIA does they have to grant concessions to newcomers in the next Engine era. New PU manufacturers should granted more engines, unlimited testing and more fuel until they score a win or three podiums in a year or so. This will cut down the development cycle for newcomers. F1 would've been a lot more interesting if McLaren, Redbull, Ferrari and Merc all were fighting at the front.

If someone is coming in after year 0, sure, but for 2020 I don't see why a new team should get more engines than an existing team. The engines are new for everyone and anyone sensible won't rush it(cough, not naming any names) and will collaborate, stick prototypes in some, I 2009 Mclaren for instance to run it around and get a feel for electronics and how the engine maker needs to work with an F1 team.

If the new engines debut in lets say 2020 and a new team comes in for 2022, then sure, I think maybe they should start off with the same rules as 2020. As in lets say for new engines they are allowed 5 engines in 2020 4 in 2021 and 3 in 2022, then you get that 5 engine allocation if you come in at a later date as you won't have the chance to have that iterative effect of a season of fixes that other teams have. But if lets say Aston Martin and Mercedes are both making new engines, starting now and aiming for 2020, I don't see why Aston Martin should get extra engine allowances.

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

The only thing McLaren needs to do is force Honda to sign experts from other teams, biggest problems will be solved within 6-7 months.

The only thing I'd say to that is, taking Ferrari as a great example of this working excellently, Ferrari had a reliable solid engine in 2014, it was just the wrong engine design with from what I recall the engine guys just massively underestimated the importance of the ERS side of the engine. Bringing in the expertise you need to build on a solid foundation is pretty easy while if the engine base is flawed, unreliable and a bad engine itself then bringing in experts won't be as straightforward.

In their case it was bringing in ERS specialists in particular and they were drastically improved for the next year. In Honda's case they seem to need guys in every area of the engine which also means there is far more to fix in a short space of time. Ferrari could spend what 9-10 months focusing mostly on improving ERS side of the engine while Honda and anyone they bring in would be be trying to fix basically every single part of the engine which naturally splits resources. I can't see any way they could have the same level of turn around as Ferrari did and even then while Ferrari improved they still weren't genuinely competitive.

I absolutely think it's the only route forward for Honda but, I can't see it having enough effect till at least 2019 and at that point you've got to wonder is it even worth it. For me Honda need to start bringing in the people they need for the next engine and have new people they bring in working on that project separately. If Honda are too focused on the current engines I can't see how they are going to achieve a great 2020 engine which is what they need.

[TAG]

getting rid of Honda would be like swimming half way across the lake, getting tired and swimming back

[Moose]

getting rid of Honda would be like swimming half way across the lake, getting tired and swimming back

Which, if you can't see the other side, and don't know how far away it is, is the course of action least likely to cause you to die.

[Manoah2u]

but where you came from, there is no food no water just an empty island giving you nothing but death from starvation.
better keep swimming.

honda is throwing some liferafts along the way. it's not the finishline or solid ground, but atleast it'll keep you from sinking.

[ZakB]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

If they had the money they would've done it already.

Not really, because it would take even more years.

[ZakB]

Whatever FIA does they have to grant concessions to newcomers in the next Engine era. New PU manufacturers should granted more engines, unlimited testing and more fuel until they score a win or three podiums in a year or so. This will cut down the development cycle for newcomers. F1 would've been a lot more interesting if McLaren, Redbull, Ferrari and Merc all were fighting at the front.

If someone is coming in after year 0, sure, but for 2020 I don't see why a new team should get more engines than an existing team. The engines are new for everyone and anyone sensible won't rush it(cough, not naming any names) and will collaborate, stick prototypes in some, I 2009 Mclaren for instance to run it around and get a feel for electronics and how the engine maker needs to work with an F1 team.

If the new engines debut in lets say 2020 and a new team comes in for 2022, then sure, I think maybe they should start off with the same rules as 2020. As in lets say for new engines they are allowed 5 engines in 2020 4 in 2021 and 3 in 2022, then you get that 5 engine allocation if you come in at a later date as you won't have the chance to have that iterative effect of a season of fixes that other teams have. But if lets say Aston Martin and Mercedes are both making new engines, starting now and aiming for 2020, I don't see why Aston Martin should get extra engine allowances.

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

The only thing McLaren needs to do is force Honda to sign experts from other teams, biggest problems will be solved within 6-7 months.

The only thing I'd say to that is, taking Ferrari as a great example of this working excellently, Ferrari had a reliable solid engine in 2014, it was just the wrong engine design with from what I recall the engine guys just massively underestimated the importance of the ERS side of the engine. Bringing in the expertise you need to build on a solid foundation is pretty easy while if the engine base is flawed, unreliable and a bad engine itself then bringing in experts won't be as straightforward.

In their case it was bringing in ERS specialists in particular and they were drastically improved for the next year. In Honda's case they seem to need guys in every area of the engine which also means there is far more to fix in a short space of time. Ferrari could spend what 9-10 months focusing mostly on improving ERS side of the engine while Honda and anyone they bring in would be be trying to fix basically every single part of the engine which naturally splits resources. I can't see any way they could have the same level of turn around as Ferrari did and even then while Ferrari improved they still weren't genuinely competitive.

I absolutely think it's the only route forward for Honda but, I can't see it having enough effect till at least 2019 and at that point you've got to wonder is it even worth it. For me Honda need to start bringing in the people they need for the next engine and have new people they bring in working on that project separately. If Honda are too focused on the current engines I can't see how they are going to achieve a great 2020 engine which is what they need.

The concept that Honda currently has is the right one, but it needs time to develop this concept. They can shorten this periode by buying in technology through staff. Seeing the improved reliability, driveability, power and efficiency, it seems that they are on the right path, so it may looks worse than the situation actually is. We can only hope that the spec 4.0 update will be the improvement that they promised us in 2016. If not, please leave.

[Redragon]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

If Mclaren has the capability of making their own engines why are not helping with the development of this engine?
If they have this capability and they are not helping on this engine right now which they don't have to put a penny on, means they are a bunch of idiots and I don't think they are.

[GhostF1]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

Why would you think McLaren (who have zero engine building experience alone) would be any better off...
Also why would heavy investment into Ricardo be any better than Honda?

These claims are more absurd than anything else suggested. It's all based on absolutely zero evidence they could get the job done. McLaren might have a couple supercars and Ricardo might supply some turbo V8's (with all due respect to the company), but that does not translate into a definite, immediately successful F1 entry. What a gamble.. and a ludicrously costly one at that.

[Singabule]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

If they had the money they would've done it already.

Yep, money and can turn back the clock.