So, when do we see the Massa/Vettel swap?

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I think Massa has had his chance and has been found wanting. He's been trained by the best but Kimi is able to beat him every time.

I think it would be excellent if Ferrari gave another young driver the chance to learn from Kimi, MS and Ferrari. Vettel would be a perfect foil for this.
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I also beleive Kubica would be great in a Ferrari, plus he has more experience than Vettel
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Militia Est Vita wrote:I also beleive Kubica would be great in a Ferrari, plus he has more experience than Vettel
Maybe a few GP's worth of experience, but much more than that.

I think Vettel is an Uber Natural, as is Kubica and Hamilton and maybe Rosberg as well. I think that Felipe has had his butt in arguably the best seat on the grid for the last 3 years, and has not done anything that I would consider spectacular.

I think Kimi needs someone to make him go over the top, and I don't think Massa does that. There are a few on the grid that could do it, but my feeling is with Vettel, BECAUSE of the synergy he would bring with Schumi and Kimi.

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Felipe Massa:

5 Wins
10 Poles
17 Podiums
201 points
90 Grand Prix

2001 Formula 3000 Euro-Series: Wins Championship, 6 Poles and wins
2002 First Formula 1 Season: Best Finish 5th and 13th in Drivers Championship
2003 Ferrari Test Driver
2004 Back to Sauber 12 Points in standing best finish 4th at the Belgium Grand Prix
2005 Team Sauber out Performs teammate Former Champion Jacques Villeneuve, Finishes 13th in Standings
2006 First year at Ferrari: 3 Pole Positions and 2 Wins
2007 Second Year at Ferrari 6 Pole Positions 3 Wins
2008 Third Year at Ferrari: 1 Pole and DNF
Re-signs with Ferrari until 2010

Need I say more

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yes you need to say more ;)

2008 Third Year at Ferrari: 1 Pole and 2 (two) DNF out of 2 (two) races.
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P_O_L wrote:yes you need to say more ;)

2008 Third Year at Ferrari: 1 Pole and 2 (two) DNF out of 2 (two) races.
Kimi didn't start out well this year either. Massa will bounce back at Bahrain.

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The talk of Vettel going to Ferrari is Bull. Berger said he has 3 years on his contract with Red Bull and Vettel is happy were he is.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=42122

Listen I am not saying anything bad about this kid. I think he can be a great driver someday but he is not replacing anybody until his contract is up.
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I see vettel replacing Coulthard at redbull next year.

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johny wrote:I see vettel replacing Coulthard at redbull next year.
I would also like to see that. It's time for Coulthard to move on. I think Vettel would be very successful in that seat.

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http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news ... _role.html

I guess there could be a seat at Red Bull next year if the above becomes true!

Despite that a contract is also hardly binding these days (ask Jenson Button) and can be easily bought out or compensated for, so I say if enough people want to see Vettel in a Ferrari next year it will happen...also could be a way to get Ferrari away from tobacco sponsorship if Red Bull also steps up to the plate with Vettel.

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Both Coulthard and Barrichelo need to go period.

Honda is a rising team with lots of potential, especially now under the guidance of Ross Brawn. So if these senior racers move on, there would be plenty of options for young drivers such as Vettel.

A future Ferrari seat is reserved for Bruno Senna, don't forget that 8) .
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mx_tifosi wrote:Both Coulthard and Barrichelo need to go period.

Honda is a rising team with lots of potential, especially now under the guidance of Ross Brawn. So if these senior racers move on, there would be plenty of options for young drivers such as Vettel.

A future Ferrari seat is reserved for Bruno Senna, don't forget that 8) .
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What about Alonso/Massa swap?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 312280.stm

Sounds like he's got that break clause and is doing what everyone thought, sitting at Renault for a year before he goes to Ferrari in 2009
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ben_watkins wrote:What about Alonso/Massa swap? Sounds like he's got that break clause and is doing what everyone thought, sitting at Renault for a year before he goes to Ferrari in 2009
Well, Fernando has been

busy dropping hints in Ferrari's direction. Perhaps he foresees the Maranello team going from strength to strength no matter what, perhaps he thinks occasional talk about leaving spurs his current team on to compete for his services. I wonder though, what conceivable value does the "break clause" serve with all the technical changes that are due in 2009? Renault's (nor any other teams') current form won't matter all too much then, and the resources are pretty much matched between the teams that have won during the last decade or so. In times of change, I think offering a measure of stability in taking one's team through the challenges will provide the best motivation. Staying put might be worth more than a thought.

Had it not been for BMW announcing Kubica and Heidfeld very early on, I would've thought that was the way to go for Alonso - even at the cost of a possible pay cut. That team decided otherwise, making a clear statement about team culture of promoting people from within the team. Both Toyota and Honda are on the upswing - Dernie and Brawn, among others, are having a positive effect and both teams sport senior drivers that need replacing at some point (though I'd hate to see any of them go). Williams is an unlikely fit for Fernando (I can't imagine him making the compromises to fit in) and Red Bull just didn't seem to interest him (again as a precedent, for all the talk to the contrary).

Given the events of 2007, I'd raise more than an eyebrow if he ended up at Ferrari of all places. I can think of a number of journalists who would have a field day in investigating and questioning what actually took place during the crises if it came to that. It's also pretty hard to imagine the team entertaining someone who actively sought and made use of their (alledgedly Stepney originating) data as a competitor. Spilling the beans in the end did result in an easy WCC for Ferrari (and almost to a removal of a longstanding competitor) - in a victory that appeared less than wholesome and/or meaningful to all but very few. Machiavellian service enough to pay sufficient penance to Maranello?

Perhaps, but even in that case, it'd likely be the final F1 contract Alonso could sign. Given the latitude of action he's come to require of previous contracts and his vision of a driver's relationship with his team, it will go against his nature to acquiesce to a cage, however gilded. The temptation to rattle the bars, just to make a point, is ever present. If Fernando and Ferrari were to "tango", they sure have the widest of dancefloors to cross on their way to each others' arms.
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lets say massa ends up 3rd or lower in bahrain. If you was ferrari boss and alonso called and said: take over my renault contract and ill drive for you in barcelona..would you do it?
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