Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[Soichiro]

Can you do this calculation whit RB to see where is Mclaren compared to them whit chassis? or even better where would Mclaren be in Hungary and Singapoure whit their next years engine Renault?
Thanks

I guess you will have to wait until next year to see that. That is, if they switch to Renault.

[Soichiro]

sky f1, say tomorrow Mclaren will terminate officially the Honda deal...

Yes and Alonso is staying.

That depends on how severe the consequences from a lawsuit will be if that happens . You know -100 million, -100 million, -??? ....

[jnkirk1974]

sky f1, say tomorrow Mclaren will terminate officially the Honda deal...

Can you please provide a link to where you saw this on Sky Sports F1? I'm not seeing anything like this on their site. I'm seeing that it may be a few more weeks.

[ollandos]

3 years 2 differend desings of pu ...and far away back for honda ..no serious upgrades on performance and always with problems ...very difficult to make 2 races with the same unit ...6 months before next season and no one sing for something lot better coming on future its time to go out ....the best option for mclaren but not possible at the moment is the switc with willams ..and take for there mercedes PU i think honda with money can be attractive for williams...why not?...the results with mercedes its close to mclaren honda ..with free engines and drivers work team and the hope for honda to be closer time by time ..mayde its a safe survive road for willliams...

[gdogg371]

sky f1, say tomorrow Mclaren will terminate officially the Honda deal...

Can you please provide a link to where you saw this on Sky Sports F1? I'm not seeing anything like this on their site. I'm seeing that it may be a few more weeks.

They were speculating on air that the end was nigh and that it would come this week. Then they got Zack Brown on for an interview and he gave a bit of corporate ronspeak that didn't explicitly confirm their opinion, but did in so many words. Said a decision would definitely be made this coming week though because of design considerations for 2018.

[etusch]

3 years 2 differend desings of pu ...and far away back for honda ..no serious upgrades on performance and always with problems ...very difficult to make 2 races with the same unit ...6 months before next season and no one sing for something lot better coming on future its time to go out ....the best option for mclaren but not possible at the moment is the switc with willams ..and take for there mercedes PU i think honda with money can be attractive for williams...why not?...the results with mercedes its close to mclaren honda ..with free engines and drivers work team and the hope for honda to be closer time by time ..mayde its a safe survive road for willliams...

Williams is not working enough on chassis so they need best PU as power. McLaren is not like that. Honda PU is good McLaren and Redbull. Redbull is good on chassis and McLaren seems good and getting better. Next year PU power difference will be lesser if we think worse condition

[TzeiTzei]

Looking at live timing, in clean air Vandoorne's straight line speed was just as low as Alonso's. And they were a lot slower than anyone else out there. When Verstappen passed Alonso, that was simply the speed that the McLaren could do without a tow.

[FvtecA]

Baseline (3.5):
(995 - 940)*0.28 = 1.6

+10 HP (3.7):
(995 - 955)*0.28 = 1.1

Now, that is assuming Merc gets the pole. If Ferrari gets it and assuming they are 5 HP down,

Baseline (3.5):
(990 - 940)*0.28 = 1.4

+10 HP (3.7):
(990 - 955)*0.28 = 1.0

Can you do this calculation whit RB to see where is Mclaren compared to them whit chassis? or even better where would Mclaren be in Hungary and Singapoure whit their next years engine Renault?
Thanks

There's a problem with that. RB have traditionally outperformed the engine (Monaco 2016, Spa 2016). With McLaren they seem to go exactly in line with the engine, obviously the caveat being, my assumption filled calibration. In addition, at various times, McLaren has disclosed how much time they have lost because of the engine making it easier to calibrate. Not so with RB.

But calibrating with a Renault engine could be fun. So, while I don't know about RB, one thing I could do is predict what numbers McLaren would do and then compare that with what numbers RB does actually end up doing.

So let us assume that Renault has 970/975 HP. So at Singapore, we get

(990 - 970)*0.28 = 0.6

(990 - 975)*0.28 = 0.4

At Hungary, we would have got

(990 - 970)*0.2 = 0.4

(990 - 975)*0.2 = 0.3

Now, remember that RB was 0.5 s away from pole. So as usual the caveat is, the HP numbers may be wrong, or this whole analysis is rubbish or both. Or the McLaren chasis is better than RB.

[zack!]

Looking at live timing, in clean air Vandoorne's straight line speed was just as low as Alonso's. And they were a lot slower than anyone else out there. When Verstappen passed Alonso, that was simply the speed that the McLaren could do without a tow.

And Honda PU can't cover one grand prix distance, without reliability, achieved power means nothing...

[damager21]

Looking at live timing, in clean air Vandoorne's straight line speed was just as low as Alonso's. And they were a lot slower than anyone else out there. When Verstappen passed Alonso, that was simply the speed that the McLaren could do without a tow.

Lets not ignore the fact that Verstappen was on fresher tyres and Alonso was suffering with gearbox problem from 5th lap. He himself conceded that he was losing 0.5secs per lap because of the gearbox problem.

Verstappen would have still gone past Alonso but not with as much ease

[GoranF1]

Baseline (3.5):
(995 - 940)*0.28 = 1.6

+10 HP (3.7):
(995 - 955)*0.28 = 1.1

Now, that is assuming Merc gets the pole. If Ferrari gets it and assuming they are 5 HP down,

Baseline (3.5):
(990 - 940)*0.28 = 1.4

+10 HP (3.7):
(990 - 955)*0.28 = 1.0

Can you do this calculation whit RB to see where is Mclaren compared to them whit chassis? or even better where would Mclaren be in Hungary and Singapoure whit their next years engine Renault?
Thanks

There's a problem with that. RB have traditionally outperformed the engine (Monaco 2016, Spa 2016). With McLaren they seem to go exactly in line with the engine, obviously the caveat being, my assumption filled calibration. In addition, at various times, McLaren has disclosed how much time they have lost because of the engine making it easier to calibrate. Not so with RB.

But calibrating with a Renault engine could be fun. So, while I don't know about RB, one thing I could do is predict what numbers McLaren would do and then compare that with what numbers RB does actually end up doing.

So let us assume that Renault has 970/975 HP. So at Singapore, we get

(990 - 970)*0.28 = 0.6

(990 - 975)*0.28 = 0.4

At Hungary, we would have got

(990 - 970)*0.2 = 0.4

(990 - 975)*0.2 = 0.3

Now, remember that RB was 0.5 s away from pole. So as usual the caveat is, the HP numbers may be wrong, or this whole analysis is rubbish or both. Or the McLaren chasis is better than RB.

Thanks...and there is a little thing called "When Alonso smels blood"....i think next year Mclaren fans will be very happy.

[GoranF1]

Nowhere near rb, somewhere near renault chassis

Hungary proves you wright...LOOL.

[GoranF1]

sky f1, say tomorrow Mclaren will terminate officially the Honda deal...

Yes and Alonso is staying.

That depends on how severe the consequences from a lawsuit will be if that happens . You know -100 million, -100 million, -??? ....

When you are from Bahrain that is like change for newapapers.

[TzeiTzei]

Looking at live timing, in clean air Vandoorne's straight line speed was just as low as Alonso's. And they were a lot slower than anyone else out there. When Verstappen passed Alonso, that was simply the speed that the McLaren could do without a tow.

Lets not ignore the fact that Verstappen was on fresher tyres and Alonso was suffering with gearbox problem from 5th lap. He himself conceded that he was losing 0.5secs per lap because of the gearbox problem.

Verstappen would have still gone past Alonso but not with as much ease

It was Alonso who had the fresher tyres. And like I said, his straight line speeds were similar to Vandoorne's.

[BrunoH]

sky f1, say tomorrow Mclaren will terminate officially the Honda deal...

Can you please provide a link to where you saw this on Sky Sports F1? I'm not seeing anything like this on their site. I'm seeing that it may be a few more weeks.

it was during the live broadcast maybe 20 min before the race start