2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[Revs84]

Max Speeds

https://i.imgur.com/A4opoyX.jpg

Gasly Laptimes compared

https://i.imgur.com/4Cl7XtS.jpg

More midfield lap times...

https://i.imgur.com/nKumYZ8.jpg

Hartley lap time pace

https://i.imgur.com/y7eNPDF.jpg

There was a bit of lucky with the DNF at the front, but the pace was definetely there

There's something that just doesn't add up when looking at Alonso's last stint following his 2nd pit. If I remember correctly, during this time, Gasly kept pulling away little by little, increasing his gap. The rest of the pack were pretty much constant, or with little change between them in terms of gap.

However, if you compare Alonso's times following the last stint, they were constantly faster. Then, the last lap is measured at 1:50. Anyone else notice this? Am I missing something?

He slowed down to get lapped by Vettel so he could finish a lap down probably to save fuel

Ok that makes sense, since there's a similar lap with Magnussen. Still strange the impact is that of 15secs.

[Alonso Fan]

There's something that just doesn't add up when looking at Alonso's last stint following his 2nd pit. If I remember correctly, during this time, Gasly kept pulling away little by little, increasing his gap. The rest of the pack were pretty much constant, or with little change between them in terms of gap.

However, if you compare Alonso's times following the last stint, they were constantly faster. Then, the last lap is measured at 1:50. Anyone else notice this? Am I missing something?

He slowed down to get lapped by Vettel so he could finish a lap down probably to save fuel

Ok that makes sense, since there's a similar lap with Magnussen. Still strange the impact is that of 15secs.

Yes he literally went snails pace. Before that last lap he was pulling away from Vettel actually. If you watch the TV feed you can see how slow he is going when Vettel passes him on the last lap. Huge gap behind, fight with hulk didn't work, back off, save the fuel and finish a lap early. He probably used up all the fuel trying to get past hulk

[HPD]

Gasly: «Now we can fight».
Asked about his "message" to Alonso and the British team, Gasly dismissed it: "Have they put it on TV? Hahaha, I can only say that Honda has taken a massive step forward, but I will not give figures, although we did not expect this result. When I entered the goal I said: 'Oh my God, P4, it's amazing! I never would have imagined it at the beginning of the season. It is difficult for me to explain this result and the best of Honda in the last 10 years ».
http://www.abc.es/deportes/formula-1/ab ... ticia.html

Marko: "Not only with the Honda engine were slow on the straights, they are still the last ones with the Renault engine, maybe the car is not as good as they think, now they have the Renault engine, Mr. Alonso wanted to attack here already Red Bull now drives behind Toro Rosso, McLaren can not be so good, and with Honda, McLaren not only lost an engine that continues to improve, they have also given up a lot of money, "says Helmut Marko a Auto Motor und Sport.
http://www.thebestf1.es/helmut-marko-at ... tan-bueno/

[Talisman]

I’m probably the only person who doesn’t get it but who said what at McLaren that makes “now we can fight” a jab at them?

[Macklaren]

Gasly: «Now we can fight».
Asked about his "message" to Alonso and the British team, Gasly dismissed it: "Have they put it on TV? Hahaha, I can only say that Honda has taken a massive step forward, but I will not give figures, although we did not expect this result. When I entered the goal I said: 'Oh my God, P4, it's amazing! I never would have imagined it at the beginning of the season. It is difficult for me to explain this result and the best of Honda in the last 10 years ».
http://www.abc.es/deportes/formula-1/ab ... ticia.html

Marko: "Not only with the Honda engine were slow on the straights, they are still the last ones with the Renault engine, maybe the car is not as good as they think, now they have the Renault engine, Mr. Alonso wanted to attack here already Red Bull now drives behind Toro Rosso, McLaren can not be so good, and with Honda, McLaren not only lost an engine that continues to improve, they have also given up a lot of money, "says Helmut Marko a Auto Motor und Sport.
http://www.thebestf1.es/helmut-marko-at ... tan-bueno/

Maybe the master troll Marko should focus on getting his primary cars to the finish line first

[j.yank]

Max Speeds

https://i.imgur.com/A4opoyX.jpg

Gasly Laptimes compared

https://i.imgur.com/4Cl7XtS.jpg

More midfield lap times...

https://i.imgur.com/nKumYZ8.jpg

Hartley lap time pace

https://i.imgur.com/y7eNPDF.jpg

There was a bit of lucky with the DNF at the front, but the pace was definetely there

There's something that just doesn't add up when looking at Alonso's last stint following his 2nd pit. If I remember correctly, during this time, Gasly kept pulling away little by little, increasing his gap. The rest of the pack were pretty much constant, or with little change between them in terms of gap.

However, if you compare Alonso's times following the last stint, they were constantly faster. Then, the last lap is measured at 1:50. Anyone else notice this? Am I missing something?

Two possible explanations: 1. The other drivers around him stopped pushing hard because the gaps between them already were big enough to keep the order by the end of the race; 2. The McLaren draggy chassis is pushing the fuel consumption to the limit and for most of the race they are forced to do fuel saving, but by the end of the race, if they have save a lot of fuel, they start pushing without limits. I think some similar pattern we saw last season, when on number of occasions Alonso flashed best lap times when there were few laps remaining.

[rogazilla]

I’m probably the only person who doesn’t get it but who said what at McLaren that makes “now we can fight” a jab at them?

That's what Alonso said in Australia.

[Alonso Fan]

Max Speeds

https://i.imgur.com/A4opoyX.jpg

Gasly Laptimes compared

https://i.imgur.com/4Cl7XtS.jpg

More midfield lap times...

https://i.imgur.com/nKumYZ8.jpg

Hartley lap time pace

https://i.imgur.com/y7eNPDF.jpg

There was a bit of lucky with the DNF at the front, but the pace was definetely there

There's something that just doesn't add up when looking at Alonso's last stint following his 2nd pit. If I remember correctly, during this time, Gasly kept pulling away little by little, increasing his gap. The rest of the pack were pretty much constant, or with little change between them in terms of gap.

However, if you compare Alonso's times following the last stint, they were constantly faster. Then, the last lap is measured at 1:50. Anyone else notice this? Am I missing something?

Two possible explanations: 1. The other drivers around him stopped pushing hard because the gaps between them already were big enough to keep the order by the end of the race; 2. The McLaren draggy chassis is pushing the fuel consumption to the limit and for most of the race they are forced to do fuel saving, but by the end of the race, if they have save a lot of fuel, they start pushing without limits. I think some similar pattern we saw last season, when on number of occasions Alonso flashed best lap times when there were few laps remaining.

It has nothing to do with a draggy chassis. It also has nothing to do with Toro Rosso BUT Alonso was fighting hulk and desperately trying to get in front. He probably used a more aggressive engine mode for a longer than allowed period of time. He was constantly under 1 second behind hulk but hulk would get a great exit off the last corner.

[Talisman]

I’m probably the only person who doesn’t get it but who said what at McLaren that makes “now we can fight” a jab at them?

That's what Alonso said in Australia.

Thanks. Damn my memory needs an overhaul...

[j.yank]

There's something that just doesn't add up when looking at Alonso's last stint following his 2nd pit. If I remember correctly, during this time, Gasly kept pulling away little by little, increasing his gap. The rest of the pack were pretty much constant, or with little change between them in terms of gap.

However, if you compare Alonso's times following the last stint, they were constantly faster. Then, the last lap is measured at 1:50. Anyone else notice this? Am I missing something?

Two possible explanations: 1. The other drivers around him stopped pushing hard because the gaps between them already were big enough to keep the order by the end of the race; 2. The McLaren draggy chassis is pushing the fuel consumption to the limit and for most of the race they are forced to do fuel saving, but by the end of the race, if they have save a lot of fuel, they start pushing without limits. I think some similar pattern we saw last season, when on number of occasions Alonso flashed best lap times when there were few laps remaining.

It has nothing to do with a draggy chassis. It also has nothing to do with Toro Rosso BUT Alonso was fighting hulk and desperately trying to get in front. He probably used a more aggressive engine mode for a longer than allowed period of time. He was constantly under 1 second behind hulk but hulk would get a great exit off the last corner.

Why he didn't chase Hulk before that? Why you are excluding the draggy chassis explanation when this is obvious that indeed McLaren have a draggy chassis (the only explanation why they are so badly behind Red Bull)?

[GhostF1]

McLaren, drivers and team heads have made a point of sniping at Honda since testing. Stoffel with his tweets adding "overtaking is nice", EB with his blatant comments. STR have reacted to it. They are both acutely aware of what each other are saying. I still can't get over the "Woking" jab tweet TR posted at testing when MCL lost a wheel lol

[techman]

i was bit critical of harltey i guess i shouldnt be i think hartley has good race pace, it was unlucky he couldnt qualify higher but his q2 time is only slightly slower to gasly , and who knows if he had made to q3 he was would got close to a gasly time. anyway china hopefully everthing works for him

[cyro_666]

While the irony is apparent, I don't think the mods will appreciate us comparing STR and McChassis again. I think there's a thread for that already.

[Thunder]

Some posts have been removed.
Please Discuss McLaren Fuel / Engine Strategy in the McLaren Team Thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=26883

[Manoah2u]

Some posts have been removed.
Please Discuss McLaren Fuel / Engine Strategy in the McLaren Team Thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=26883

why, my post was a very valid discussion point. moving it to the Mclaren team thread would have been understandable,
but completely removing it was uncalled for imho.