2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[diffuser]

I think that was more to do with the unexpected heat and very black track

When Mclaren is dress in full DF on a FULL DF track with fast corners, it's in it's most favorable element. The numbers don't lie, look at how well they do at all the high DF tracks.

It's the opposite of some cars, I could name a couple but will not, that can't get their DF to work in high DF mode.

Alonso wasn't running the high DF rear wing.

Yeah I noticed that, don't know what that's about. They're also running the 2017 FW ...I read the 2018 wings will not be ready till tomorrow. It's still a high DF track.

[wesley123]

First they need to understand what's wrong with their current Car.

That is true, but i rather they start working with 2019 parts and understand how they work already on track, since the correlations seem far off.

if they can make the 2019 parts work this year and add on that/ develop, they will be ahead of the championship fighting teams that cant do that ( from this year ) coming next year

Yeah, except not exactly when correlation is off. You can test all the parts in the world, but if then the correlation is still wrong you're still going the wrong way.

[GoranF1]

How does long run look?

[makecry]

How does long run look?

Low 34s.

[ALO_Power]

How does long run look?

Low 34s.

compared to others please?

[PlatinumZealot]

Fernando Alonso: 2018 F1 rule changes hurt McLaren.

The FIA has clamped down on exhaust blowing and monkey seats, impacting an area in which McLaren had made gains, and it's understood that has been one of the major issues that the team has faced with the MCL33.

Last week in Austria former racing director Eric Boullier hinted that rule changes had an impact: "I will not explain publicly what's wrong. There are some differences in the regulations, and if you dig into it you might understand why."

Team boss Zak Brown admitted at Silverstone the 2018 chassis does not have as much downforce as its predecessor, which in effect means that the team has not been able to benefit as much as it expected to from the switch from Honda to Renault power.

"This year we lost some devices that were in the cars last year, at the back of the cars," said Alonso.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13723 ... en--alonso

Interestingly enough, we sussed it out in the 2017 car thread that they lack rear down-force and were compensating by monkey seat and agressive rear wing. Halo also messed up their slim air box advantage I suspect.

[flexcon]

Interestingly enough, we sussed it out in the 2017 car thread that they lack rear down-force and were compensating by monkey seat and agressive rear wing. Halo also messed up their slim air box advantage I suspect.

Also got me thinking. With the halo it is noticeable that the airbag on others is more flat and wide than thin of the McLaren. I am guessing the airflow off the Halo could have changed the direction of Airflow there

[McMika98]

Zack trying to pull a fast one, less downforce than last years car, seriously who is he trying to fool. After years of dev on same aero formula no way they are behind. Its clear they ran max rear wing to point fingers which has seriously backfired. Its an efficiency formula this not just engine but also aero. Just like peak power means nothing in this era same applies with peaky aero with high drag.

[PhillipM]

They lost the T wing, blown monkey seat, and have a rushed rear packaging job with the new engine. Why is it not possible to have less downforce at the rear than last year, given they evidently have traction issues?

[techman]

They lost the T wing, blown monkey seat, and have a rushed rear packaging job with the new engine. Why is it not possible to have less downforce at the rear than last year, given they evidently have traction issues?

its not only mclaren who lost those T wing, and other stuff. that car has so much drag, they can afford to put more wing due to more loss in straight line speed. believe me next year, they will come up some more excuses and engine integration excuses will be invalid then

[PhillipM]

Ah, so as usual you have no valid reason you just wanted to rant at Mclaren again.

[diffuser]

They lost the T wing, blown monkey seat, and have a rushed rear packaging job with the new engine. Why is it not possible to have less downforce at the rear than last year, given they evidently have traction issues?

its not only mclaren who lost those T wing, and other stuff. that car has so much drag, they can afford to put more wing due to more loss in straight line speed. believe me next year, they will come up some more excuses and engine integration excuses will be invalid then

Long-run pace deficit (seconds per lap)

1. Ferrari

2. Mercedes +0.1s/lap

3. Red Bull +0.5 s/lap

4. McLaren +1.2s/lap

5. Renault +1.3s/lap

6. Force India +1.4s/lap

7. Haas +1.5s/lap

8. Toro Rosso +1.7s/lap

9. Sauber +1.7s/lap

10. Williams +2.2s/lap

[zeph]

I dunno. Zak Brown inherited a mess and has to clean house. Even though he came in as exec director in November 2016, he has been CEO only since last April.
Turning an operation like McLaren around takes time. I say wait and see what happens next year. I don’t know that Brown is responsible for this year’s misery.

Doesn't matter what we think or like he is the shareholders guy. He was appointed last year! Like it or not he isn't going anywhere soon. so stop moaning about it.

What? Moaning?

Did you even read what I wrote? I’m defending him.

[bill shoe]

Long-run pace deficit (seconds per lap)

1. Ferrari

2. Mercedes +0.1s/lap

3. Red Bull +0.5 s/lap

4. McLaren +1.2s/lap
…

10. Williams +2.2s/lap

Without getting too detailed, how did you calculate or get this info? Does it apply to entire 2018 season, or Silverstone practice only, or what? Good stuff, that's why I'm asking.

[techman]

1. Ferrari

2. Mercedes +0.1s/lap

3. Red Bull +0.5 s/lap

4. McLaren +1.2s/lap

5. Renault +1.3s/lap

6. Force India +1.4s/lap

7. Haas +1.5s/lap

8. Toro Rosso +1.7s/lap

9. Sauber +1.7s/lap

10. Williams +2.2s/lap

i dont know which long run pace is this but looking at fia.com for silverstone ,the mercedes long run is the best, mclaren about 6th renualt and haas ahead, only brendon did his long run and we know gasly is about a second faster in race pace from what i have seen before , so he should be around mclaren race pace when they fit the spec 2 engine tommorrow.