I'm actually surprised I don't consider Sainz worse that Riccardo. I do recognize he has more experience.
Still not making any sense, try harderALO_Power wrote: ↑03 Aug 2018, 17:15Haha sure. Whisper that to Williams as well, maybe they could had Pole Position in Monaco/Hungary with Merc engine and your max-wing idea, right? That's just wrong and unfounded and you know it. The car has less downforce because things that McLaren was relying on a lot in 2017 got removed for 2018 (monkey seats etc.)techman wrote: ↑03 Aug 2018, 16:24there you go. mcl32 was running max drag downforce. thus slow on the straights. they still are the slowest in the straights. it will take some some better engineers to fix those. hopefully they do, a competitive mclaren is good for the sportyes MCL32 had more downforce than MCL33.
It's different to have a "draggy" chassis in general and it's different to have more drag by running big wing angles (all teams will get more drag if they will increase those angles). If for example they have significantly slower top speed than others running the same wing angles as others, then drag is the problem itself (being produced by any other part of the chassis). But if you run high wings because you can't have the downforce you need, then it's not the chassis that's draggy, it's your setup choice. It's not that they run the same wings as the whole grid and still get slower top speed.
i think that what he is saying is that this year they dont have as much downforce as last year. therefore, they are running with more wing than some other teams in a given race. the drag isnt necessarily caused by the chassis, but by the extra wing they are needing to run to achieve the desired amount of downforce.Nonserviam85 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2018, 01:42Still not making any sense, try harderALO_Power wrote: ↑03 Aug 2018, 17:15Haha sure. Whisper that to Williams as well, maybe they could had Pole Position in Monaco/Hungary with Merc engine and your max-wing idea, right? That's just wrong and unfounded and you know it. The car has less downforce because things that McLaren was relying on a lot in 2017 got removed for 2018 (monkey seats etc.)
It's different to have a "draggy" chassis in general and it's different to have more drag by running big wing angles (all teams will get more drag if they will increase those angles). If for example they have significantly slower top speed than others running the same wing angles as others, then drag is the problem itself (being produced by any other part of the chassis). But if you run high wings because you can't have the downforce you need, then it's not the chassis that's draggy, it's your setup choice. It's not that they run the same wings as the whole grid and still get slower top speed.
Exactly. That's why in Monaco for example they didn't get hurt that much by it, because everyone had to run max downforce. Also, if we accept that I'm saying the same thing ("problem is not drag but drag") then we will accept that Every Car With Little Downforce Is Draggy, which is obviously a very wrong assumption.zoroastar wrote: ↑04 Aug 2018, 02:11i think that what he is saying is that this year they dont have as much downforce as last year. therefore, they are running with more wing than some other teams in a given race. the drag isnt necessarily caused by the chassis, but by the extra wing they are needing to run to achieve the desired amount of downforce.Nonserviam85 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2018, 01:42Still not making any sense, try harderALO_Power wrote: ↑03 Aug 2018, 17:15
Haha sure. Whisper that to Williams as well, maybe they could had Pole Position in Monaco/Hungary with Merc engine and your max-wing idea, right? That's just wrong and unfounded and you know it. The car has less downforce because things that McLaren was relying on a lot in 2017 got removed for 2018 (monkey seats etc.)
It's different to have a "draggy" chassis in general and it's different to have more drag by running big wing angles (all teams will get more drag if they will increase those angles). If for example they have significantly slower top speed than others running the same wing angles as others, then drag is the problem itself (being produced by any other part of the chassis). But if you run high wings because you can't have the downforce you need, then it's not the chassis that's draggy, it's your setup choice. It's not that they run the same wings as the whole grid and still get slower top speed.
He will forever be remembered as the greatest driver to lose untold championships to his attitude and ego.max_speed wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 04:37with brawn commenting that they have 2 open seats clearly may suggest that Alonso is calling it quits. 90% of my desire to follow F1 will go away with him but i guess that is right for him with no hope of winning another F1 title . i guess its better for him to leave this 3 tier championship.
Show me a top driver without an Ego, please.
By haters, maybe...Zynerji wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 04:42He will forever be remembered as the greatest driver to lose untold championships to his attitude and ego.max_speed wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 04:37with brawn commenting that they have 2 open seats clearly may suggest that Alonso is calling it quits. 90% of my desire to follow F1 will go away with him but i guess that is right for him with no hope of winning another F1 title . i guess its better for him to leave this 3 tier championship.
My guess is that he is leaving. if mclaren was trying to get ricciardo for 31mn$ priceTag that does mean Alonso is leaving now way mclaren can afford to pay 2 drivers 30mn$ plus salary. with ricciardo now gone to Renault might force mclaren to persuade him to stay else take sainz and pair him up with norris. Alonso might have recommended "sainz" as his replacement. he has mentored him for very long. my 2cents on sainz/norris pair in mclaren for next year and vandoorne going to sauber.
Running more wing could be a solution for a lack of mechnical grip. They're having problems at lower speeds, which suggests they lack mechnical grip as well.godlameroso wrote: ↑05 Aug 2018, 16:44The problem is the aero under the car isn't as good as the A class cars. So they have to compensate for this deficiency by running more aggressive wing angles, mechanically the car works. No one in McLaren is even hinting at a mechanical deficiency. The aero works well in a very narrow speed range, none of the tracks have the majority of corners in this speed range. The A class teams have aero that works better at lower speeds, and allows them to run less aggressive wing angles, which means less drag at speed.