2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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techman wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:34
Maybe, maybe not, but according to him Red Bull wanted him. Renault also expressed interest, but it seems at this stage in his career, he only wants to commit on a year to year basis, Renault want stability. The truth of the matter is Fernando is as fast as he was 10 years ago. Nobody believed he could return to Mclaren with Ron Dennis there, but he did. Obviously, somebody is misrepresenting the situation, either Fernando or Red Bull. But none of us can come out and definitively say "nobody wants Fernando", except you work for all the teams in F1.
Do you really believe anything coming from alonso mouth. after all the negativity he shown to honda. you reckon honda would want him again. makes no sense. this guy is making things up. because the reality no top team wants him. i cant see come back to f1. because the top 3 team will be the same for lot more years to come
Why do you always delete the name of the poster to whom you're replying to, I've noticed you do this all the time, but I was waiting for you to do it to one of my posts. Can you please explain?
To answer your remark, I don't know, neither do you. We can only go by what we read. Toto Wolff has said on multiple occasions he would consider Fernando under certain circumstances, or was Toto lying as well? You sound like you know exactly what happens behind closed doors in F1. You can always have your opinion, but please don't base them as facts.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Big Tea wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:42
F1NAC wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:37
Big Tea wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:33
When you consider a choice between Gasly and Alonso...
Not an Alonso fan, but there is no debating over which is the better driver.

He was offered a drive in (i think) 2012, and did not, so could he be referring to this?
he was offered only I think for 2009 if I'm not mistaken. Ted explicitly asked him at the end of interview something like " so they offered you DR's position " and he replied "yes"
Thanks, not sure of the year, just recalled something of it
I think he's been offered twice, someone posted a story some days back, where Horner held discussions with him at the back of an Alfa Romeo, 2011 or 2012.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Ground Effect wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:47
Big Tea wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:42
F1NAC wrote:
23 Aug 2018, 17:37


he was offered only I think for 2009 if I'm not mistaken. Ted explicitly asked him at the end of interview something like " so they offered you DR's position " and he replied "yes"
Thanks, not sure of the year, just recalled something of it
I think he's been offered twice, someone posted a story some days back, where Horner held discussions with him at the back of an Alfa Romeo, 2011 or 2012.
He says twice, but also says for Ricciardos soon to be vacant seat.. shame to see him go.
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Good news for McLaren, they gained a place in the constructors championship!

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To answer your remark, I don't know, neither do you. We can only go by what we read. Toto Wolff has said on multiple occasions he would consider Fernando under certain circumstances, or was Toto lying as well? You sound like you know exactly what happens behind closed doors in F1. You can always have your opinion, but please don't base them as facts.
why would redbull want alonso? any legit reason? he shown negativity towards honda. redbull does not want that with their new partner, and who is going to pay him the big buck? you think redbull or honda will? no way. alonso is making things up. already gasly has worked with honda and is a consistent driver and ischeap. both mercedes and ferrari learnt lesson with alonso and redbull marko is not a fan of him.

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To answer your remark, I don't know, neither do you. We can only go by what we read. Toto Wolff has said on multiple occasions he would consider Fernando under certain circumstances, or was Toto lying as well? You sound like you know exactly what happens behind closed doors in F1. You can always have your opinion, but please don't base them as facts.
Depends on definition of lying =P~ . Wolff was generating fake noise for marketing purposes for mob to get excited about because Alonso's name draws attention. "Would", "circumstances" is empty blah, blah, "multiple occasions" means multiple headlines. They never seriously thought about hiring him and neither did Red Bull (IMO) except for 2009 or wherever it was.

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techman wrote:
24 Aug 2018, 08:36
To answer your remark, I don't know, neither do you. We can only go by what we read. Toto Wolff has said on multiple occasions he would consider Fernando under certain circumstances, or was Toto lying as well? You sound like you know exactly what happens behind closed doors in F1. You can always have your opinion, but please don't base them as facts.
why would redbull want alonso? any legit reason? he shown negativity towards honda. redbull does not want that with their new partner, and who is going to pay him the big buck? you think redbull or honda will? no way. alonso is making things up. already gasly has worked with honda and is a consistent driver and ischeap. both mercedes and ferrari learnt lesson with alonso and redbull marko is not a fan of him.
Once again, your opinion, which you're entitled to, but don't pass it off as facts. You say why, that is your logic, and you can't force it on everyone around. Based on that, I'm guessing Ricciardo brings chaos and has bashed other teams, that's why Ferrari nor Mercedes didn't sign him. Why didn't Ferrari attempt to sign Hamilton before he re-signed with Mercedes. Why didn't Mercedes try to sign Vettel last year before he extended with Ferrari? I guess they're all chaotic drivers. The main reason why Fernando or Ricciardo won't get signed, is because of their main drivers wouldn't want them. Even Ricciardo with his amiable personality would not be welcomed.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Once again, your opinion, which you're entitled to, but don't pass it off as facts. You say why, that is your logic, and you can't force it on everyone around. Based on that, I'm guessing Ricciardo brings chaos and has bashed other teams, that's why Ferrari nor Mercedes didn't sign him. Why didn't Ferrari attempt to sign Hamilton before he re-signed with Mercedes. Why didn't Mercedes try to sign Vettel last year before he extended with Ferrari? I guess they're all chaotic drivers. The main reason why Fernando or Ricciardo won't get signed, is because of their main drivers wouldn't want them. Even Ricciardo with his amiable personality would not be welcomed.
lets say mercedes did not have lewis for 2019 and ferrari did not have vettel for 2019. do you seriously believe both merc and ferrari will try to get alonso back? they will NOT. they would rather go for riccardo as their number 1 driver as he is not toxic. a driver cannot be above the team. both ferrari and mercedes learnt lesson with alonso. he has burnt every bridge possible. only mclaren will bring him no other team will .because you cant run a team with one driver causing chaos everywhere

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techman wrote:
24 Aug 2018, 11:06
Once again, your opinion, which you're entitled to, but don't pass it off as facts. You say why, that is your logic, and you can't force it on everyone around. Based on that, I'm guessing Ricciardo brings chaos and has bashed other teams, that's why Ferrari nor Mercedes didn't sign him. Why didn't Ferrari attempt to sign Hamilton before he re-signed with Mercedes. Why didn't Mercedes try to sign Vettel last year before he extended with Ferrari? I guess they're all chaotic drivers. The main reason why Fernando or Ricciardo won't get signed, is because of their main drivers wouldn't want them. Even Ricciardo with his amiable personality would not be welcomed.
lets say mercedes did not have lewis for 2019 and ferrari did not have vettel for 2019. do you seriously believe both merc and ferrari will try to get alonso back? they will NOT. they would rather go for riccardo as their number 1 driver as he is not toxic. a driver cannot be above the team. both ferrari and mercedes learnt lesson with alonso. he has burnt every bridge possible. only mclaren will bring him no other team will .because you cant run a team with one driver causing chaos everywhere
I don't know, and neither are you certain, it's your opinion. Besides, if Lewis and Vettel were both unavailable for 2019, only one team can sign Ricciardo. So let's say Ferrari signed Ricciardo, do you think Mercedes wouldn't try to sign Fernando, do you think they could rely on Bottas and Ocon? Every top team wants at least one of the strongest drivers on the grid instead their team. If Red Bull's strongest driver was Mark Webber between 2010-2013, how many world titles would they have won? He never even finished 2nd in the championship. Sometimes you even try to sign a driver to make your rivals weaker. Ron Dennis tried to sign Michael Schumacher, to have both him and Mika to weaken Ferrari.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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According to Joe Saward, Ocon has been to Woking for a seat fitting, but it's still not finalized and remains a complicated deal because of his Mercedes links and they (Mercedes) want to keep him in the longer term. (paraphrasing)
Could Mclaren be seeking/insisting on a permanent move?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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techman wrote:
24 Aug 2018, 11:06
Once again, your opinion, which you're entitled to, but don't pass it off as facts. You say why, that is your logic, and you can't force it on everyone around. Based on that, I'm guessing Ricciardo brings chaos and has bashed other teams, that's why Ferrari nor Mercedes didn't sign him. Why didn't Ferrari attempt to sign Hamilton before he re-signed with Mercedes. Why didn't Mercedes try to sign Vettel last year before he extended with Ferrari? I guess they're all chaotic drivers. The main reason why Fernando or Ricciardo won't get signed, is because of their main drivers wouldn't want them. Even Ricciardo with his amiable personality would not be welcomed.
lets say mercedes did not have lewis for 2019 and ferrari did not have vettel for 2019. do you seriously believe both merc and ferrari will try to get alonso back? they will NOT. they would rather go for riccardo as their number 1 driver as he is not toxic. a driver cannot be above the team. both ferrari and mercedes learnt lesson with alonso. he has burnt every bridge possible. only mclaren will bring him no other team will .because you cant run a team with one driver causing chaos everywhere
He must be lying, I guess....

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alon ... y/3163474/
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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techman wrote:
24 Aug 2018, 11:06
Once again, your opinion, which you're entitled to, but don't pass it off as facts. You say why, that is your logic, and you can't force it on everyone around. Based on that, I'm guessing Ricciardo brings chaos and has bashed other teams, that's why Ferrari nor Mercedes didn't sign him. Why didn't Ferrari attempt to sign Hamilton before he re-signed with Mercedes. Why didn't Mercedes try to sign Vettel last year before he extended with Ferrari? I guess they're all chaotic drivers. The main reason why Fernando or Ricciardo won't get signed, is because of their main drivers wouldn't want them. Even Ricciardo with his amiable personality would not be welcomed.
lets say mercedes did not have lewis for 2019 and ferrari did not have vettel for 2019. do you seriously believe both merc and ferrari will try to get alonso back? they will NOT. they would rather go for riccardo as their number 1 driver as he is not toxic. a driver cannot be above the team. both ferrari and mercedes learnt lesson with alonso. he has burnt every bridge possible. only mclaren will bring him no other team will .because you cant run a team with one driver causing chaos everywhere
Every PR is good PR, especially "bad" PR.

You are hatefull enough towards Alonso to not or don't want to see real world of F1.

If for 2019 both Ham and Vettel would be out of F1, both teams would try to hire him.
In the end, whether you beleive it or not, he is still most consistent driver on grid and probably the fastest one in race pace.

Ferrari would consider him, Mercedes would consider him and guess what and that bothers you probably a lot, RB wanted him for next year.

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Well, I can't say I always believe Horner, but he just said on Sky that while FOM called them when Ricciardo's move was announced, to see whether they would take Alonso, there was no desire from their side. I think we can believe that, because usually when Horner isn't quite truthful, he uses weaselly terms (and he wouldn't likely invent a story, that's easily disproved).

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It seems a no brainer that Red Bull tried to hire Alonso and he said no.

Red Bull know how much experience he has with Honda and how much effort he put in.

Alonso said no because of the same and Red Bull will either remain 3rd or drop back.

Horner only looks after the best interests of the team, hence the lie and the continued dissing of Alonso which really needs to stop. It reminds me of when it was fashionable to call Schumi a cheat, dangerous, doesn't deserve his championships, Ferrari were cheating... Etc
Finally, everyone knows that Red Bull is a joke and Max Verstappen is overrated.

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Fake News in F1 ?? :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: