Aston Martin Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer RB14

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Morteza wrote:
27 Sep 2018, 15:54
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New endplate detail? Reminds me of Renault.

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roon wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 20:12
Morteza wrote:
27 Sep 2018, 15:54
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New endplate detail? Reminds me of Renault.

It was introduced at the German GP IIRC.

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On the onboard of Max's car, at the start, it is visible how he had to steer to the right to avoid the car in front, loose some taction due to this move and some distance to Ricciardo off the line.
Then he lines up next to Ricciardo and starts to pull through the gears 2-3-4-5-6 etc and easily outpaces Ricciardo who had a good straight forward launch off the line.
How is this possible? Did Ricciardo not have full power?

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johndoucakis wrote:
02 Oct 2018, 12:41
On the onboard of Max's car, at the start, it is visible how he had to steer to the right to avoid the car in front, loose some taction due to this move and some distance to Ricciardo off the line.
Then he lines up next to Ricciardo and starts to pull through the gears 2-3-4-5-6 etc and easily outpaces Ricciardo who had a good straight forward launch off the line.
How is this possible? Did Ricciardo not have full power?

Ricciardo had a bad first round.

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Yes his openning lap was poor, but I am referring to the difference in acceleration.
The sound of his car does not show much wheelspin (where as it does on Max's car from his onboard in f1.com) and yet he gets passed easily by Max and he cannot even get close to the McLarens in front.

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Max chooses the left side and then due to some luck Alonso at the last minute moves out of the way, enabling Max to pass him and Ricciardo getting stuck as Alonos moves right in his path. Max was just away from the line much better (even with taking evasive action) he was so quick I feared a false start.

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https://streamable.com/j3bh0



Just watch the first 200 meters. I am not talking about Alonso moving out of the way or anything related to overtaking front cars. I am talking off the start line and before turn 1.
They have identical reaction, keep you eye on Ricciardo's car from Max's cockpit, Max moves closer to Ricciardo and is a car length behind, same momentum and all.. and then his car just launches pass Ricciardo's.
It cannot be traction related, they are in their 3rd to 4th gears

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Max had passed 3 cars by the start line. One of them was his team mate. 2 more by the first corner :D
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The seas parted for Max and closed for Daniel is the simplest explanation. Daniel got blocked or knocked at nearly every pillar and post.

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What has any of this got to do with the RB14?

The race thread is the place for this discussion about the drivers' races. #-o
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Just_a_fan wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 08:42
What has any of this got to do with the RB14?

The race thread is the place for this discussion about the drivers' races. #-o
I think the conversation is about the difference in acceleration off the start between the 2 x rb14's

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johndoucakis wrote:
02 Oct 2018, 13:33
https://streamable.com/j3bh0

https://streamable.com/j3bh0

Just watch the first 200 meters. I am not talking about Alonso moving out of the way or anything related to overtaking front cars. I am talking off the start line and before turn 1.
They have identical reaction, keep you eye on Ricciardo's car from Max's cockpit, Max moves closer to Ricciardo and is a car length behind, same momentum and all.. and then his car just launches pass Ricciardo's.
It cannot be traction related, they are in their 3rd to 4th gears
Looks like VER's initial get away, even with the manoeuvre, is better then RIC, and that speed he carries all along the straight.

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Jolle wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 10:51
johndoucakis wrote:
02 Oct 2018, 13:33
https://streamable.com/j3bh0

https://streamable.com/j3bh0

Just watch the first 200 meters. I am not talking about Alonso moving out of the way or anything related to overtaking front cars. I am talking off the start line and before turn 1.
They have identical reaction, keep you eye on Ricciardo's car from Max's cockpit, Max moves closer to Ricciardo and is a car length behind, same momentum and all.. and then his car just launches pass Ricciardo's.
It cannot be traction related, they are in their 3rd to 4th gears
Looks like VER's initial get away, even with the manoeuvre, is better then RIC, and that speed he carries all along the straight.
As I said above, Max was just about past by the start line, so either Max had a better reaction time, a better jump, or the car had better traction or grunt.
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Big Tea wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 12:49
Jolle wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 10:51
johndoucakis wrote:
02 Oct 2018, 13:33
https://streamable.com/j3bh0

https://streamable.com/j3bh0

Just watch the first 200 meters. I am not talking about Alonso moving out of the way or anything related to overtaking front cars. I am talking off the start line and before turn 1.
They have identical reaction, keep you eye on Ricciardo's car from Max's cockpit, Max moves closer to Ricciardo and is a car length behind, same momentum and all.. and then his car just launches pass Ricciardo's.
It cannot be traction related, they are in their 3rd to 4th gears
Looks like VER's initial get away, even with the manoeuvre, is better then RIC, and that speed he carries all along the straight.
As I said above, Max was just about past by the start line, so either Max had a better reaction time, a better jump, or the car had better traction or grunt.
could also be down to tactics. when you start from the back in a faster car, you're more likely to catch up the pack when they brake into the first corner and 9 out of 10 times they crash into each other one way or another. to wait after the first corner, sneak past when half the back markers are down escape roads, you pass a good number of cars without risk.

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1) better line (only for initial start)
2) tbh, max in the recent races, was the better starter. Seems Aussies are not the best here. *points at Webber*
3) all this belongs into team thread or race thread