It is not really going to be a big problem for him. After the third set it just means starting at the back, but with the option to slip in a later spec engine. As long as they pick the GP where they start from the back, it will be of little problem overall
I would actually be happy for Renault even if they finish ahead of McLaren (and they already have done for a while). Purely because it would mean someone is getting closer to the top 3 and hopefully give them a hard time like RBR do to Ferrari and Merc. I have more faith in Renault than I do McLaren at the moment and I like their drivers better. Their car looks cool too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 10:44I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
You're always repeating the same things. You like Renault better, why don't you post in their topic. The relationship with Honda was simply done, is that really so hard to understand? If they were still running Honda engines, they would still probably play the blame game. They were finally aware that things needed to change. McLaren are rebuilding, their team is completely new at the top. How about giving it some time, instead of asking for changes again.McG wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 21:59I would actually be happy for Renault even if they finish ahead of McLaren (and they already have done for a while). Purely because it would mean someone is getting closer to the top 3 and hopefully give them a hard time like RBR do to Ferrari and Merc. I have more faith in Renault than I do McLaren at the moment and I like their drivers better. Their car looks cool too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 10:44I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
My support for McLaren has been worn away down to almost having a "soft spot" for them. No passion like in the Hakkinen/DC/Kimi/Montoya/Hamilton/Button/Alonso days.
How can one support a team that keeps making terrible decisions. This year will show if sacking Honda was another terrible decision. Any bets that Honda might actually be decent this year?
Just something bloody change please!
Sorry that went into a bit of a rant.
which isn't working either, look at PSG in the CLGround Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37It surprises me that some people think F1 is like the premier league or any football league for that matter. Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
I am not convinced about Mr. Prodromou 
The key point is that even for Mercedes and Red Bull, it didn't happen overnight. McLaren only admitted their long term failings last year, and then started the rebuild. If we look at the timeline from when Zak was put in charge, he's done quite a bit in trying to put things in order. Key, Fry, Sainz, Norris, Seidl all solid signings in different areas. Not to mention he's still working hard on the commercial front. It's a 5 year plan.JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 11:09That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
It worked for Red Bull too, except it took Red Bull six years.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
Mercedes-Benz originally had Schumacher as their star player, but they replaced him with Hamilton. So just because McLaren lost their Spanish WDC star player, doesn't mean they can't either find or create (Norris) another one.
Fry and Key are also very good star signings by McLaren!
however, Wikipedia says his position at McLaren is "Chief Technical Officer" (same as Newey at RBR) -- is that correct... or is he simply Head of Aerodynamics?
JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 11:09That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
It worked for Red Bull too, except it took Red Bull six years.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
Mercedes-Benz originally had Schumacher as their star player, but they replaced him with Hamilton. So just because McLaren lost their Spanish WDC star player, doesn't mean they can't either find or create (Norris) another one.
Fry and Key are also very good star signings by McLaren!
I am not convinced about Mr. Prodromou however,
Wikipedia says his position at McLaren is "Chief Technical Officer" (same as Newey at RBR) -- is that correct... or is he simply Head of Aerodynamics?
Worked for red bull...Capharol wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 01:16which isn't working either, look at PSG in the CLGround Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37It surprises me that some people think F1 is like the premier league or any football league for that matter. Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
but in general i understand what you trying to say, and this kind of thing isn't working in F1
mclaren111 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 13:19JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 11:09That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.Ground Effect wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 22:37Get a billionaire owner, get a top manager, sign world class players, then start winning trophies tomorrow.
It worked for Red Bull too, except it took Red Bull six years.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
Mercedes-Benz originally had Schumacher as their star player, but they replaced him with Hamilton. So just because McLaren lost their Spanish WDC star player, doesn't mean they can't either find or create (Norris) another one.
Fry and Key are also very good star signings by McLaren!
I am not convinced about Mr. Prodromou however,
Wikipedia says his position at McLaren is "Chief Technical Officer" (same as Newey at RBR) -- is that correct... or is he simply Head of Aerodynamics?
If you look at all the Aero ideas PP had on our cars that have been copied, I'd say he's been doing very well...
Our cars has just not worked as a complete package yet... This year looks promising...
RWEP ... AFAIRispano6 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 16:31mclaren111 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 13:19JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 11:09
That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.
It worked for Red Bull too, except it took Red Bull six years.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
Mercedes-Benz originally had Schumacher as their star player, but they replaced him with Hamilton. So just because McLaren lost their Spanish WDC star player, doesn't mean they can't either find or create (Norris) another one.
Fry and Key are also very good star signings by McLaren!
I am not convinced about Mr. Prodromou however,
Wikipedia says his position at McLaren is "Chief Technical Officer" (same as Newey at RBR) -- is that correct... or is he simply Head of Aerodynamics?
If you look at all the Aero ideas PP had on our cars that have been copied, I'd say he's been doing very well...
Our cars has just not worked as a complete package yet... This year looks promising...
Which ideas exactly? Seemed to me he took ideas from Sauber and Force India with that angelfish face with slots and nostrils. He hasn't come up with any novel mirror concepts either so I'm curious what he's done that others are copying.
You mean only this year, right?... Because if not, they were the ones that came out with the strakes on the rear wing end plates that “everyone” uses in one shape or another today, Ferrari has copied their front wing support (which was originally on the 2017 car)... Actually, I believe that every team is using their rear suspension layout (which debuted last year)... I’m sure the list goes on if we really make an analysis of it.ispano6 wrote:mclaren111 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 13:19JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Mar 2019, 11:09That worked for Mercedes-Benz, it only took them five years to get to the top too.
It worked for Red Bull too, except it took Red Bull six years.
Well, it is better to have a billionaire owner and star players, than to not have them!
Mercedes-Benz originally had Schumacher as their star player, but they replaced him with Hamilton. So just because McLaren lost their Spanish WDC star player, doesn't mean they can't either find or create (Norris) another one.
Fry and Key are also very good star signings by McLaren!
I am not convinced about Mr. Prodromou however,
Wikipedia says his position at McLaren is "Chief Technical Officer" (same as Newey at RBR) -- is that correct... or is he simply Head of Aerodynamics?
If you look at all the Aero ideas PP had on our cars that have been copied, I'd say he's been doing very well...
Our cars has just not worked as a complete package yet... This year looks promising...
Which ideas exactly? Seemed to me he took ideas from Sauber and Force India with that angelfish face with slots and nostrils. He hasn't come up with any novel mirror concepts either so I'm curious what he's done that others are copying.
