Drivers not happy with Hamilton's on-track behaviour

[wesley123]

On the first vid you see it clear, at a point hamilton didnt go to the side and kept his line, webber lost balance wile braking and he hit hamilton. As yuo can see it is the force of nature, if hamilton would drive into webber he would go airborne wich webber did, so webber hit hamilton not hamilton hit webber.

[shir0]

On the first vid you see it clear, at a point hamilton didnt go to the side and kept his line, webber lost balance wile braking and he hit hamilton. As yuo can see it is the force of nature, if hamilton would drive into webber he would go airborne wich webber did, so webber hit hamilton not hamilton hit webber.

Dude, watch the steering inputs of Webber and the distance of the RB4's left-front tyre to the white line to the left. That left-front tyre never moved away from the white line, indicating Webber did not loose balance, as you said, nor veered to Hamilton. Hamilton, on the other hand, was way to the middle of the track at the start of the battle, Webber avoided him by steering left, but still Hamilton followed Webber, effectively leaving him no more track space to maneuver on.

In frame#5 of this frame-sequence, you could argue that it was Webber who turned into Hamilton as he was steering RIGHT. BUT, checking the next frame (frame#6) which shows that he (Webber) straightened out BEFORE they touched wheels, as evidenced by the alignment of his steering wheel and the left-front tyre's distance to the white side line on the left (which remained constant).

Even though Webber straightened out, Hamilton clearly "closed the door on Webber" as can be seen clearly on frame#8. Webber even tried to avoid touching Hamilton by steering LEFT (check his steering wheel input). Still, they touched, indicating that Hamilton was the one who turned into Webber even if they were side-by-side.

[boci]

When Webber's steering wheel turns left as he hits Hamilton that is because of the force of the two cars touching wheels not by Webber's own will.

I suggest you watch the clip in motion instead of using pictures that miss most of their motions.

[shir0]

When Webber's steering wheel turns left as he hits Hamilton that is because of the force of the two cars touching wheels not by Webber's own will.

I suggest you watch the clip in motion instead of using pictures that miss most of their motions.

Then my counter suggestion would be to watch the full motion video of that skirmish, in extremely slow speed at Formula1.com.

Even so, let's assume what you said was a fact and that the reason Webber was "seemingly" steering left at the exact moment of touching wheels with Hamilton, was a reaction of the steering wheel through the force of two tyres touching, as dicatated by physics.

But, see, that's not the issue here...why oh why, did Hamilton still STEERED INTO Webber from the center of the track?

Because he needs to take the most efficient racing line? He wouldn't have made the corner, if he didn't take the line (Lewis's own words)?

check the sporting code...

whew...this experiment is O-V-E-R. I've made my point about opinions. How they go around in a huge circle and when collided with others going the opposite direction, they produce matter and anti-matter...

...or is it BOSONS and PHOTONS now?

...I'm going back to Lurker-Mode.

[mini696]

On the first vid you see it clear, at a point hamilton didnt go to the side and kept his line, webber lost balance wile braking and he hit hamilton. As yuo can see it is the force of nature, if hamilton would drive into webber he would go airborne wich webber did, so webber hit hamilton not hamilton hit webber.

Completely wrong.

The video clearly shows Webber taking a constant line into the corner. Watch his LF wheel in respect to the white line. He even has one tyre out off the dry line into the wet part of the track. Lewis tracked out off his line and clipped Webber. If Webber was any futhur over he would be on the painted lines and have lost even more braking.

Please explain your grasp on physics when you say this "it is the force of nature, if hamilton would drive into webber he would go airborne wich webber did".

[thestigm5]

1.Drivers like Schaumacher and Hamilton are ruthless
2.all the other drivers are jealous of Hamilton.

GO LEWIS!

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Hamilton's moves are risky yes, but a couple of years ago his racecraft at the Turkey race in GP2 he left onlookers astounded, and the world pointed towards an awesome drive.

Now however he's in F1, doing the same thing and suddenly its not acceptable. I just do't get that. He's no more ruthless than Senna or Schumacher were, and they had the controvery, but it died down eventually. I think that'll probably occur with Lewis. There will however always be the anti-fans who'll point the finger at unlawful driving etc.

But that's F1. Lewis is quickly becomming the new Schumi in terms of controvery and mixing up the form book, what's left to be seen is whether he'll translate that into something resembling Schumi's level of success.

[Conceptual]

1.Drivers like Schaumacher and Hamilton are ruthless
2.all the other drivers are jealous of Hamilton.

GO LEWIS!

Jealous of his overcooked tyres?

LoL

[zirpas]

1.Drivers like Schaumacher and Hamilton are ruthless
2.all the other drivers are jealous of Hamilton.

GO LEWIS!

Jealous of his overcooked tyres?

LoL

=D> Yep He remembers Shumi,let´s see if he gets the same succes.
I don´t like him at all,but he´s bloody fast and gave us a lot of adrenaline.
I just hope he(alone) loose the championship again as there´s nobody else now deserving to win it.

[Conceptual]

1.Drivers like Schaumacher and Hamilton are ruthless
2.all the other drivers are jealous of Hamilton.

GO LEWIS!

Jealous of his overcooked tyres?

LoL

=D> Yep He remembers Shumi,let´s see if he gets the same succes.
I don´t like him at all,but he´s bloody fast and gave us a lot of adrenaline.
I just hope he(alone) loose the championship again as there´s nobody else now deserving to win it.

As long as the on track action is filled with honorable duels, I really don't care who wins. I simply dislike driving manouvers that are designed to put people off the track. While this may include Lewis, there are a few other drivers out there that have done much of the same.

[ernos5]

WHY WOULD DRIVERS BE JELOUS OF ANOTHER DRIVER THAT CRASHES AT 60KM/H AND CAN'T STOP AT A RED LIGHT???????

[shotzski]

WHY WOULD DRIVERS BE JELOUS OF ANOTHER DRIVER THAT CRASHES AT 60KM/H AND CAN'T STOP AT A RED LIGHT???????

That's exactly the reason why. He is the only one who could do that. He's got balls! Hehehe just kidding

[casper]

It's indisputable that Lewis smoked the competition in Monza. The complaints are just fodder for the press to make up for the complaining drivers' seemingly helplessness when driving in the rain.

When the race has no overtaking, everybody whines and moans. Now that we are seeing real overtaking moves during the race, the same whining and moaning happens. What gives?

F1 racing is not supposed to be this way, where just one incident of overtaking in a corner is over-analyzed to death. I mean, its racing so expect cars to bump into each other or squeeze other cars out to the track. Its inevitable.

Its the rules that is making the race dumber. Its the height of dumbness when race positions are determined by lawyers, and not by the actual race drivers themselves.

[donskar]

casper wrote:

F1 racing is not supposed to be this way, where just one incident of overtaking in a corner is over-analyzed to death.

Agree completely.

I mean, its racing so expect cars to bump into each other or squeeze other cars out to the track. Its inevitable.

Disagree completely.

These are open wheelers. Any driver who purposely risks touching wheels is risking at least a serious accident.

Squeezing cars off the track is not inevitable - it is insane.

And dangerous driving is not the only alternative to no-passing races.

Those of you who are fairly new to F1 do not know what it is like to have MANY of your heroes die in F1 cars. It happened over a period of several years. F1 is not a melodramatic movie - it is a dangerous sport contested by brave men. And it is dangerous by its very nature, a position supported by the fact that more than one great driver died testing a race car. We do not need immature/egotistic/careless or just plain stupid drivers who are unaware or unconcerned with the consequences.

[guy_smiley]

It's indisputable that Lewis smoked the competition in Monza.

except for all those drivers that finished ahead of him....

When the race has no overtaking, everybody whines and moans.

i agree, and we should!

Now that we are seeing real overtaking moves during the race, the same whining and moaning happens.

it's not the same, and there's half as much: the people who hate hamilton are whining, and the people who like hamilton are cheering. so if there's tons of overtaking, you're probably only going to whine if your favorite drivers gets passed by your least favorite driver. that's how i see it anyway.

Any driver who purposely risks touching wheels is risking at least a serious accident.
Squeezing cars off the track is not inevitable - it is insane.
it is a dangerous sport contested by brave men. And it is dangerous by its very nature. We do not need immature/egotistic/careless or just plain stupid drivers who are unaware or unconcerned with the consequences.

it is inevitable, as it continues and will continue to happen. i call it "competition." none of these drivers are stupid or irresponsible, but they are fiercely competitive and are going to fight for positions, as you say it's racing, it's dangerous. no disrespect to the fallen drivers, of course. if theres anything melodramatic i think it's your post.