Drivers not happy with Hamilton's on-track behaviour

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guy_smiley wrote:it is inevitable, as it continues and will continue to happen. i call it "competition." none of these drivers are stupid or irresponsible
Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane. What is that? Stupidity? Irresponsiveness?

My problem with Lewis is that it seems that he doesn't think much on the track. Just like DC these days, but DC officialy declared he quits.

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I think the problem many have with him is that they just dont like him and try to find reasons to justify why (I have my suspicions as to the real reasons but hey ho.A man makes a mistake and without knowing the person let alone the whys or wherefore he is branded "Irresponsiveness" talk less of stupidity?
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timbo wrote:
guy_smiley wrote:it is inevitable, as it continues and will continue to happen. i call it "competition." none of these drivers are stupid or irresponsible
Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane. What is that? Stupidity? Irresponsiveness?

My problem with Lewis is that it seems that he doesn't think much on the track. Just like DC these days, but DC officialy declared he quits.
Atleast Hamilton keeps it on the track if he doesnt crash into other people (lolmassa)

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timbo wrote: Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane.
well what about the other 19 drivers? they've all made mistakes and crashed into other people...are all 20 f1 drivers stupid? like mcdenife said, they're human, they make errors man. since you missed my point, it was that none of them would ever purposefully make a move that would seriously jeopardize the other driver's safety/life, not to mention their own. i would hope we could all agree on that...
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guy_smiley wrote:well what about the other 19 drivers? they've all made mistakes and crashed into other people...are all 20 f1 drivers stupid?
Some make them more often than others. Well, in that respect LH is always in limelight and therefore it may contribute to the perception.
like mcdenife said, they're human, they make errors man. since you missed my point, it was that none of them would ever purposefully make a move that would seriously jeopardize the other driver's safety/life, not to mention their own. i would hope we could all agree on that...
Yes, people make mistakes. But if you undergo surgery would you accept same apology from a surgeon? There's very little room for error in such sport as F1. If you ask me, DC should be forced to quit immediately after what he have done this year. If you compare LH overtakes with say Massa's (remember Massa held #1 for absolute and relative overtakes last year) you may see that LH doesn't try and prepare his move. He just goes for it. You may call it brave, but I call it irresponsible.

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guy_smiley wrote:
timbo wrote: Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane.
well what about the other 19 drivers? they've all made mistakes and crashed into other people...are all 20 f1 drivers stupid? like mcdenife said, they're human, they make errors man. since you missed my point, it was that none of them would ever purposefully make a move that would seriously jeopardize the other driver's safety/life, not to mention their own. i would hope we could all agree on that...

My favorite Pit error was the dude that drove off with the refueling rig. Who was that? Was it Klien? Don't remember.

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timbo wrote:
guy_smiley wrote:it is inevitable, as it continues and will continue to happen. i call it "competition." none of these drivers are stupid or irresponsible
Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane. What is that? Stupidity? Irresponsiveness?

My problem with Lewis is that it seems that he doesn't think much on the track. Just like DC these days, but DC officialy declared he quits.
Actually he's rearended someone three times. He rearended Alonso in Bahrain, he rearended Heikki somewhere can't remember off the top of my head, and he very stupidly rearended Kimi. He also hit Heikki in the first turn of the first lap at Silverstone. Yeah the kid is good, no doubt about it. But rearending three people and hitting his own teammate twice is unacceptable to me. All he knows are banzai moves when he really wants to pass someone. Everywhere I've raced you'd be DQ'd for the season for that kinda crap.

And yet no one is innocent, I only harp on Lewis because I'm tired of the comparisons to F1 legends. Which he isn't. When he acheives as much as they have then we should compare them.

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jddh1 wrote:
guy_smiley wrote:
timbo wrote: Hmm, well, there's guy who drove into the back of other car twice this year and the second time on the pit-lane.
well what about the other 19 drivers? they've all made mistakes and crashed into other people...are all 20 f1 drivers stupid? like mcdenife said, they're human, they make errors man. since you missed my point, it was that none of them would ever purposefully make a move that would seriously jeopardize the other driver's safety/life, not to mention their own. i would hope we could all agree on that...

My favorite Pit error was the dude that drove off with the refueling rig. Who was that? Was it Klien? Don't remember.
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jddh1 wrote:My favorite Pit error was the dude that drove off with the refueling rig. Who was that? Was it Klien? Don't remember.
Did anyone notice a funny incident in Monza, a "traction FAIL" when Rosberg started off the servise zone too early but the car just spun wheels being held in place by the refueling rig? :)

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eddie irvine, DC, juan pablo montoya, takuma sato, lewis hamilton... add up these guys' "brave" overtaking moves and you can figure out why the costs in modern F1 are so high: it's because of car insurance!
plus, all of them have been prematurely hailed as "champs" in their home country's media long before they had done anything to actually prove they were worth the title.
maybe the FIA can organise a new championship "destruction derby F1" as a support series. in oval tracks. would be huge in the good' ol US of A.
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andartop wrote:maybe the FIA can organise a new championship "destruction derby F1" as a support series. in oval tracks. would be huge in the good' ol US of A.
Is it standard to take a cheap shot at the United States no matter what the topic? Jeez. :roll:

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Ray wrote: Actually he's rearended someone three times. He rearended Alonso in Bahrain, he rearended Heikki somewhere can't remember off the top of my head, and he very stupidly rearended Kimi. He also hit Heikki in the first turn of the first lap at Silverstone. Yeah the kid is good, no doubt about it. But rearending three people and hitting his own teammate twice is unacceptable to me. All he knows are banzai moves when he really wants to pass someone. Everywhere I've raced you'd be DQ'd for the season for that kinda crap.

And yet no one is innocent, I only harp on Lewis because I'm tired of the comparisons to F1 legends. Which he isn't. When he acheives as much as they have then we should compare them.
Christ he's only in his second season. And are you seriously suggesting that Alonso, Kimi, and Massa have never hit another driver on the circuit or rear ended someone?

Before this season it seemed that Massa couldn't go near an overtaking opportunity without hitting the other car. Kimi's had his fair share too, including rear ending a back marker! And Alonso's had the most brain dead moment of all of them, when he failed to lift for waved yellows in Brazil, slamming into Mark Webbers wreckage. He was incredibly lucky that wasn't a much more serious accident and that he didn't have his superlicense revoked.

So sit back, relax and enjoy the sport and be thankful that in this time where consistency is rewarded and applauded above all else that there's still the odd driver in F1 with the balls to take some risks and try to actually race.

Ps. Before I'm accused of fanboyism, I include both Alonso and Raikkonnen in that category.

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He wants to win, and he does. What driver doesn't have a problem with him? Besides, he's 23 years old. Do you remember what you were like? Top of the world, just like me.

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shortz wrote: Besides, he's 23 years old. Do you remember what you were like? Top of the world, just like me.
Yes, just like today but one year less wise :) But I already had my views on sporting behaviour long before that.

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shortz wrote:He wants to win, and he does. What driver doesn't have a problem with him? Besides, he's 23 years old. Do you remember what you were like? Top of the world, just like me.
Actually no. I didn't feel that way after traveling the world in the Marine Corps. I had seen a few 'third world' countries by then and firmly understood my position in life and how lucky I am. But I get your point anyway! :D

And I only take issue with the fact that everyone compares him to 3 and 7 times World Champions like they are his peers. He is not among them. Alonso was never treated this way his first/second season nor was Kimi. They massive amount of craze around the kid is making his head big and it shows in his driving.

But I do like to watch him drive. Reminds me of the greatest F1 driver ever. A man by the name of Juan Pablo Montoya! :lol: