2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[NiyolHuayra]

I wonder what the price tag McLaren have put on their sidepods, so far no sponsor on there. Must be quite a big nbr.... Calling on Amazon, Apple and the likes...

Amazon is a partner of F1. So I think that one is a no go, as for Apple they do not sponsor anything or anyone and they have nothing else to offer McLaren than money (no strategic advantage). But there are other big tech companies that would fit perfectly, like Microsoft and Renault.

[Macklaren]

I wonder what the price tag McLaren have put on their sidepods, so far no sponsor on there. Must be quite a big nbr.... Calling on Amazon, Apple and the likes...

Amazon is a partner of F1. So I think that one is a no go, as for Apple they do not sponsor anything or anyone and they have nothing else to offer McLaren than money (no strategic advantage). But there are other big tech companies that would fit perfectly, like Microsoft and Renault.

I think they absolutely waiting for CocaCola to size up

[j2004p]

I wonder what the price tag McLaren have put on their sidepods, so far no sponsor on there. Must be quite a big nbr.... Calling on Amazon, Apple and the likes...

Amazon is a partner of F1. So I think that one is a no go, as for Apple they do not sponsor anything or anyone and they have nothing else to offer McLaren than money (no strategic advantage). But there are other big tech companies that would fit perfectly, like Microsoft and Renault.

I think they absolutely waiting for CocaCola to size up

Surely Coca-Cola are missing a trick by not promoting their Fanta brand on the side of the Mclaren

[GoranF1]

@alo_pumpa, you never disappoint

Fernando has 2 titles, on the verge of a WEC, surely Indycar?

Apparently he is not interested in full Indy season, after he did Barber test on road circuit he didnt like the cars.
In his latest interview(when he said he's quiting WEC) it was quite clear his coming back.

He brings so much drama with him, and negative energy, Ferrari has said that, we saw that when he was at McLaren, if he does come back I hope not to McLaren. That is my opinion. He is not racing now leave him out of it focus on this year, both drivers are doing well.

Negative energy or not, there is no driver(including Hamilton) faster then him.
So if you want Mclaren to stay best of the rest for next 2 or 3 years then Sainz and rich boy are fine, but if you want to see Mclaren back at the top you need 2 things. Alonso and works PU deal.

[trinidefender]

Apparently he is not interested in full Indy season, after he did Barber test on road circuit he didnt like the cars.
In his latest interview(when he said he's quiting WEC) it was quite clear his coming back.

He brings so much drama with him, and negative energy, Ferrari has said that, we saw that when he was at McLaren, if he does come back I hope not to McLaren. That is my opinion. He is not racing now leave him out of it focus on this year, both drivers are doing well.

Negative energy or not, there is no driver(including Hamilton) faster then him.
So if you want Mclaren to stay best of the rest for next 2 or 3 years then Sainz and rich boy are fine, but if you want to see Mclaren back at the top you need 2 things. Alonso and works PU deal.

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

[PhillipM]

Niether Mclaren driver is slow enough to warrant giving Alonso a seat back.

Decent driver? Yes. Best driver on the grid? No. If he was he'd be in a Merc, RB or a Ferrari.

[GoranF1]

He brings so much drama with him, and negative energy, Ferrari has said that, we saw that when he was at McLaren, if he does come back I hope not to McLaren. That is my opinion. He is not racing now leave him out of it focus on this year, both drivers are doing well.

Negative energy or not, there is no driver(including Hamilton) faster then him.
So if you want Mclaren to stay best of the rest for next 2 or 3 years then Sainz and rich boy are fine, but if you want to see Mclaren back at the top you need 2 things. Alonso and works PU deal.

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

[trinidefender]

Negative energy or not, there is no driver(including Hamilton) faster then him.
So if you want Mclaren to stay best of the rest for next 2 or 3 years then Sainz and rich boy are fine, but if you want to see Mclaren back at the top you need 2 things. Alonso and works PU deal.

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

Everyone knows that you can't say X beat Y but Y beat Z so therefore X is better than Z. Especially not when it is different teams, drivers in different parts of their careers, different generations of cars with different characteristics, different seasons, different tracks including tracks changing. You've introduced far too many variables to make that any sort of a fair comparison therefore I'm going to leave this argument here.

Also and more to the point is it is off topic. If you want to create a new thread about Alonso coming back to McLaren then be my guest but the current team thread is not the place to do it.

[GoranF1]

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

Everyone knows that you can't say X beat Y but Y beat Z so therefore X is better than Z. Especially not when it is different teams, drivers in different parts of their careers, different generations of cars with different characteristics, different seasons, different tracks including tracks changing. You've introduced far too many variables to make that any sort of a fair comparison therefore I'm going to leave this argument here.

Also and more to the point is it is off topic. If you want to create a new thread about Alonso coming back to McLaren then be my guest but the current team thread is not the place to do it.

Y vs Z = 109-109 wins 4-4 wins

[mwillems]

Negative energy or not, there is no driver(including Hamilton) faster then him.
So if you want Mclaren to stay best of the rest for next 2 or 3 years then Sainz and rich boy are fine, but if you want to see Mclaren back at the top you need 2 things. Alonso and works PU deal.

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

Waffle.

Alonso lost to Hamilton due to being favoured by Ron Dennis? Maybe. Doesn't matter though, a highly experienced two time world champion shouldn't even be in with a shout of being beaten by rookie Hamilton. Now, Hamilton is much better a driver than in his youth and it is not hard to see that he could be faster. The only reason you would rule that out is bias. Doesn't take 8 degrees of separation, variables, cars, driving styles, adaptability to car behaviours in a given year and comparing one driver to another via 4 others to see that.

I only see that amount of misdirection with magicians when they they pull a rabbit out of a hat, in this case, the rabbit is Alonso's ultimate pace!

[GoranF1]

Your argument that no driver is better than him very highly debatable. Personally I would rate Hamilton as a better driver than Alonso. We aren't talking much here but slightly.

Hamilton doesn't seem to need the team to be built around him while Alonso does. Alonso also doesn't seem to like having a teammate than can challenge him while Hamilton is showing this year that he is perfectly ok with that.

In race craft it's probably a wash between the two.

I may be right or wrong and can accept that but for you to come out and say that Alonso is openly the best and no one can challenge him is probably being a bit silly.

Lastly, he is getting older, yes he is still brilliant right now however McLaren need to look at minimum 5 or 10 years down the line. Alonso won't be racing that long. Mercedes has proven that it is better to take short term losses and play the long game.

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

Waffle.

Alonso lost to Hamilton due to being favoured by Ron Dennis? Maybe. Doesn't matter though, a highly experienced two time world champion shouldn't even be in with a shout of being beaten by rookie Hamilton. Now, Hamilton is much better a driver than in his youth and it is not hard to see that he could be faster. The only reason you would rule that out is bias. Doesn't take 8 degrees of separation, variables, cars, driving styles, adaptability to car behaviours in a given year and comparing one driver to another via 4 others to see that.

I only see that amount of misdirection with magicians when they they pull a rabbit out of a hat, in this case, the rabbit is Alonso's ultimate pace!

There are 2 problems to your theory...1. Alonso also got better over the years, infact he clearly ironed out his weekneses from 2007, while Hamilton clearly didnt. 2. You are saying Hamilton "already" beat Alonso in 2007, while i say he didnt...its the famos Hamilton fan argument "Hamilton was clearly ahead 2 races before the end"....well whos fault is that he lost everything in the gravel trap and by pressing wrong button after losing positions to Alonso in first 4 corners of Brazil....
I am not saying Alonso is better then Hamilton i am just saying he isnt worse either.

[Alonso Fan]

I know this is completely off topic but I couldn't resist...

When is the last time alonso had an 'off' day, when he was completely and comprehensively beaten by his teammate in the weekend? Hardly ever. Maybe only once or twice since back in 2007.

Now how often does hamilton have his 'off' days? At least 2 or 3 times a year. Rosberg did it often and sometimes bottas does too.

Imo alonso might be slightly slower but his is an awful lot more consistent

The well documented reason he's not in a merc ferrari or red bull now is because of hamilton, vettel and verstappen. None of them would dream of letting their team sign alonso as their teammate.

Yes I agree maybe he's hard to manage but that didn't stop Toyota or andretti.

[Nivedanm]

I think Alonso is a great driver; could arguably be the greatest driver of this century.

But I think this discussion is taking the focus away from this week’s race and the updates to the car. I don’t think it’s not the time to talk about Alonso’s return when there is not even a rumour to fuel such a speculation.

Shouldn’t we atleast postpone discussions on that topic?

[mwillems]

I am going to answer you by asking you a few queations...
1. Atm, is Bottas on par whit Hamilton?
2. How did Bottas do against Massa?
3. IF he was better then Massa, by how much?
4. How did Alonso do against Massa?
5. How did Hamilton do against Button?
6. How did Alonso do against Button?(when in driveble car)
7. Would Alonso ever lose entire season against Rosberg?
8.How do you comment open admiting of Ron Dennis about favoring Hamilton in 2007?

Waffle.

Alonso lost to Hamilton due to being favoured by Ron Dennis? Maybe. Doesn't matter though, a highly experienced two time world champion shouldn't even be in with a shout of being beaten by rookie Hamilton. Now, Hamilton is much better a driver than in his youth and it is not hard to see that he could be faster. The only reason you would rule that out is bias. Doesn't take 8 degrees of separation, variables, cars, driving styles, adaptability to car behaviours in a given year and comparing one driver to another via 4 others to see that.

I only see that amount of misdirection with magicians when they they pull a rabbit out of a hat, in this case, the rabbit is Alonso's ultimate pace!

There are 2 problems to your theory...1. Alonso also got better over the years, infact he clearly ironed out his weekneses from 2007, while Hamilton clearly didnt. 2. You are saying Hamilton "already" beat Alonso in 2007, while i say he didnt...its the famos Hamilton fan argument "Hamilton was clearly ahead 2 races before the end"....well whos fault is that he lost everything in the gravel trap and by pressing wrong button after losing positions to Alonso in first 4 corners of Brazil....
I am not saying Alonso is better then Hamilton i am just saying he isnt worse either.

No problems I don't think, Hamilton 2nd, Alonso was 3rd - Hamilton wins 2007. Same points perhaps, but even then, it shouldn't be possible. I'm saying nothing about Gravel at all, but yes you're right in the point you raise, Hamilton's inexperience is ultimately what stopped him from leaving Alonso clearly in the dust. Alonso should have been untouchable.

I think it is clear that Hamilton has improved vastly since then, I don't see much evidence that Alonso has to the same rate, or anywhere near the same rate. As the issues were as much mentality and approach for both drivers (Alonso tantrums and Hamilton's love life sulks), I only saw in his final season at Mclaren glimpses of a team player and mature team leader. But I suspect only because circumstances allowed as his nearest challenger was a GP2 driver. Hamilton has long since grown into the mantle of F1s most dominating driver of recent times even in more difficult circumstances.

But that is my opinion, and I rate Alonso highly, but I think a different temperament would have seen him win more, or even to learn how his temperament might hinder him, but I don't feel that he did. I think that first he saw a superstar no 1. Then he saw a driver.
I also think despite everything, Hamilton is still a little underrated, particularly by you

[SmallSoldier]

I think Alonso is a great driver; could arguably be the greatest driver of this century.

But I think this discussion is taking the focus away from this week’s race and the updates to the car. I don’t think it’s not the time to talk about Alonso’s return when there is not even a rumour to fuel such a speculation.

Shouldn’t we atleast postpone discussions on that topic?

Agreed... The amount of changes that the team has brought to Spain is pretty impressive, a very large package that includes:

A new front wing that seems to be incorporating several of Ferrari’s concepts (not only on the shape of the of the elements, but also on the fact that they are joining the 3rd element to the main plane, treating the Y250 vortex different than most teams... A new cutout at the back of the end plate and only 2 adjustable elements (compared to 3 in the previous wing).

A new bargeboard, with several new elements below the boomerang, which in itself has been revised, as well as new side deflectors.

A new floor and diffuser.

A new rear wing, that incorporates the strakes implemented by Ferrari in the side plates.

Really a complete new package and we are probably not aware if there have been suspension tweaks or other mechanical/chassis related changes.

I will admit that I’m expecting a lot from the new package, general impression is that top speed will suffer a bit, but cornering speed should be greatly enhanced with all of the changes... The new rear wing and diffuser should increase stability and the new wing seems to aim at not only additional downforce, but also more outwash from it.

Will we close the gap to the front a bit?


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