McLaren MCL34

[fouad1979]

Why don't we have a T-Wing ?? Surely it will help with rear DF....

We are the only team who dont have it i guess they dont need it

[mclaren111]

Why don't we have a T-Wing ?? Surely it will help with rear DF....

Rear downforce isn't an issue, it's front the car is missing.

Even in S3 in Barcelona ??

[Dipesh1995]

Why don't we have a T-Wing ?? Surely it will help with rear DF....

Rear downforce isn't an issue, it's front the car is missing.

Even in S3 in Barcelona ??

S3 is more about mechanical grip than downforce, sure downforce helps but mechanical grip is the dominant factor. McLaren just don't look quick in S3 and it was the case in preseason testing as well when they didn't have these aero upgrades. Doesn't bode well for Monaco I must say but I hope I'm wrong.

[thestig84]

Looked like both cars were still in different config for their FP3 install laps.

[willmesquita]

Why don't we have a T-Wing ?? Surely it will help with rear DF....

Rear downforce isn't an issue, it's front the car is missing.

Even in S3 in Barcelona ??

You can't just add rear downforce if you can't add front downforce (and our limitation now is front DF).

[Xero]

Rear downforce isn't an issue, it's front the car is missing.

Even in S3 in Barcelona ??

S3 is more about mechanical grip than downforce, sure downforce helps but mechanical grip is the dominant factor. McLaren just don't look quick in S3 and it was the case in preseason testing as well when they didn't have these aero upgrades. Doesn't bode well for Monaco I must say but I hope I'm wrong.

I agree. One thing to remember though is the that the mechanical setup must also work at high and mid speed where downforce is important. If the car is front limited it would mean compromises must be made to stabilize the aero platform and prevent the tyres getting wrecked through understeer, probably a stiffening of some front springs like the ARB. For slow corners like in S3 a softer ARB would help rotate the car much better, but they've compromised in favour of the high speed which is key overall in Barcelona. For Monaco there's no high speed downforce needed, it's all about traction, so they can adjust the car much like they did in Bahrain and Baku where they fared pretty well.

[mclaren111]

Let's hope next week's test helps a lot...

[Dipesh1995]

Even in S3 in Barcelona ??

S3 is more about mechanical grip than downforce, sure downforce helps but mechanical grip is the dominant factor. McLaren just don't look quick in S3 and it was the case in preseason testing as well when they didn't have these aero upgrades. Doesn't bode well for Monaco I must say but I hope I'm wrong.

I agree. One thing to remember though is the that the mechanical setup must also work at high and mid speed where downforce is important. If the car is front limited it would mean compromises must be made to stabilize the aero platform and prevent the tyres getting wrecked through understeer, probably a stiffening of some front springs like the ARB. For slow corners like in S3 a softer ARB would help rotate the car much better, but they've compromised in favour of the high speed which is key overall in Barcelona. For Monaco there's no high speed downforce needed, it's all about traction, so they can adjust the car much like they did in Bahrain and Baku where they fared pretty well.

True, I guess we’ll find out in Monaco whether the car lacking mechanical grip or whether their poor performance in S3 here is a direct consequence of being front-limited.

[diffuser]

Not sure if you caught James Key on Sky sports (well I think it was SKY). Anyways he was asked about the differences in the front wings. His response to the comparison between RBR/Merc and McLaren, was (Paraphrasing) "Unfortunately it shows they're a little further ahead of us in clawing back that DF from the FW".

[M840TR]

[JordanMugen]

Why don't we have a T-Wing ?? Surely it will help with rear DF....

Rear downforce isn't an issue, it's front the car is missing.

If they want to find more front DF, why would they design a new aggressive inboard loaded shallow front wing, instead of a building a new conventional Mercedes or Red Bull or Renault style front wing?

It seems to me that McLaren are sticking with low drag / low downforce concept and have no real desire to add lots of front downforce.

[Xero]

If they want to find more front DF, why would they design a new aggressive inboard loaded shallow front wing, instead of a building a new conventional Mercedes or Red Bull or Renault style front wing?

It seems to me that McLaren are sticking with low drag / low downforce concept and have no real desire to add lots of front downforce.

It's all about managing the tyre wake first, which seriously bit McLaren in the butt last year. They'll add downforce only when that isn't affected.

[f1rules]

almost same angle
from soymotor


and luisfef1


key on sky
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... scuss_car/

[M840TR]

[diffuser]

almost same angle
from soymotor
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6UAPeCXoAUFGkm.jpg

and luisfef1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6UA7zcXsAAok2O.jpg

key on sky
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... scuss_car/

They're running more rear wing. Obviously they have more FW DF to balance it out.