2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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It was a good race! I enjoyed it! Max had always more pace than both Ferraris. It's a shame that Gasly couldn't fight with Leclerc, I was expecting him to put pressure on the Ferraris with the softs... But anyway, good signs from the upgraded Honda PU and the subtile upgrades seems to work too =D> =D>

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:50
It was a good race! I enjoyed it! Max had always more pace than both Ferraris.
Tbh., without Vettel flatspotting in turn one there would have been no podium today for RBR. They also need to thank Ferrari for --- up strategy and teamorders once again. But with Ferrari, performance wise, I think it's track to track now. With Mercs... not even Monaco it seems...

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gandharva wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:58
Marti_EF3 wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:50
It was a good race! I enjoyed it! Max had always more pace than both Ferraris.
Tbh., without Vettel flatspotting in turn one there would have been no podium today for RBR. They also need to thank Ferrari for --- up strategy and teamorders once again. But with Ferrari, performance wise, I think it's track to track now. With Mercs... not even Monaco it seems...
But the pace was faster, despite team orders or pitstops. After the safety Vettel was unable to catch Max, so that's great. Merc is another league, but we can finally fight Ferrari on par. And last year, same date, Redbull was far behind them. Giving that it's 1st year with Honda, and only 5 races so far, looking good :D

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I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.

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Gasly was meh in race. Occasionally quick but mostly the same pace as Haas and Toro rosso which is well below what the car is capable of.
Monaco was always RedBulls hunting ground but this year the Mercs are flying in the slow corners so expecting another Merc 1-2.

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gandharva wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:58
Marti_EF3 wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:50
It was a good race! I enjoyed it! Max had always more pace than both Ferraris.
Tbh., without Vettel flatspotting in turn one there would have been no podium today for RBR. They also need to thank Ferrari for --- up strategy and teamorders once again. But with Ferrari, performance wise, I think it's track to track now. With Mercs... not even Monaco it seems...
“Thanks to a safety car, I thought I could still have a chance of winning third place, but I soon noticed that Max Verstappen was slightly faster. Then you know that the stage is actually unfeasible. " Vettel told after the race.
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Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
What evidence do you have for this?

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A lot of if's, think's, could's, couldnt's, should's ...

It's fair to say quite a lot of people (including me) were surprised by Merc's pace, but there are some positives from this weekend:
# updates brought a performance gain
# Ferrari's PU-Upgrade doesn't seem to be a performance differentiator
# the team can try to improve the package on Tuesday&Wednesday
(maybe even test new parts, but pretty unlikely there will be already some other new parts)

I hope they stay calm, take a scientific approach and don't rush into trying various directions on development. I think we can take it for granted the boys and girls back at the factory are working flat out to bring the car forwards.

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Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
Last engine update was for that. It is good if its true. In the other hand Ferrari also using updated Engine and I think they used higher modes for podium (I am not sure because they looked like they want to lose the race during whole race :-) )
So if Ferrari also used higher modes its good for Redbull too.
Now We can say that packing order 1 merc 2 Redbull 3 Ferrari. 1 of merc is very clear but 2-3 is not so much Clear.

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Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
Based on what?
And even if so, why not? The Spec2 was made to run higher modes during the race for longer periods of time.

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nzjrs wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:36
Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
What evidence do you have for this?
I have a secret document in the left top drawer of my desk. Come on man, what evidence do we ever have. The words “I think” should be enough of an disclaimer but we are all just making assumptions anyway so why I have to even write that each and every time, it should already go without saying.
Having said that, Max was asking his race engineer If he could use higher power modes after the SC would dissapear, I clearly heared that on the radio, was broadcasted during race.

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lio007 wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:44
Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
Based on what?
And even if so, why not? The Spec2 was made to run higher modes during the race for longer periods of time.
Guys, I am hardcore in the RBH camp, Honda is 100% the way to go but (again) I think that they went for the second engine in Baku and barely one FP later that engine 1 is broken.

So what I think is that RBR and Honda know (almost) exactly how far they can go, and they currently still need to push so hard (compared to the merc and even Ferr PU) that the engine lasts just 3 races. They keep working hard and take more engines, constantly updating as 2019 now turns out to be a year still continuing to improve. As they clearly are and imho still need to.

We might now be at the point that we are just about equal with Ferrari. In 8 weeks. A great achievement imho. Now to continue onwards.

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lio007 wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:44
Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
Based on what?
And even if so, why not? The Spec2 was made to run higher modes during the race for longer periods of time.
Lets hope the spec 2.0 is indeed a big reliabilty step. Max will have to use his current unit on fridays too now. Lets see If they use it more then 3 races. I currently don’t really expect so.

And now with merc already so far ahead I don’t mind even. Let Honda work and introduce upgrades quick and heavy (If they can).

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Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 21:05
lio007 wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:44
Sieper wrote:
12 May 2019, 20:13
I think today they had to resort to higher power modes (at race end) but Yes it seems they are now very very close with Ferrari. In the hands of Max.
Based on what?
And even if so, why not? The Spec2 was made to run higher modes during the race for longer periods of time.
Guys, I am hardcore in the RBH camp, Honda is 100% the way to go but (again) I think that they went for the second engine in Baku and barely one FP later that engine 1 is broken.

So what I think is that RBR and Honda know (almost) exactly how far they can go, and they currently still need to push so hard (compared to the merc and even Ferr PU) that the engine lasts just 3 races. They keep working hard and take more engines, constantly updating as 2019 now turns out to be a year still continuing to improve. As they clearly are and imho still need to.

We might now be at the point that we are just about equal with Ferrari. In 8 weeks. A great achievement imho. Now to continue onwards.
I'm hardcore in the RBH camp as well...and until we don't hear or read anything from RB or Honda regarding Max' Spec1-PU, I'll stay positive and hope it can be reused.
If they stay on the same trajectory they can be clear No.2 in front of Ferrari, where the mood within the team may become sour.

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I asked today that question and the spanish reporter seemed to confirm the unit was done. But you are right, not officially known yet. But even If broken, this course and result traject they are on is not bad imho. Just merc made a giant step (also aided by the rule changes it seems to me). Hopefully Max can battle on merit for P3 again.