2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[loekf2]

Can the bright minds care to give a prediction for the home race in Austria?
1 of my 2 prediction has turned out to be correct so far.

Happy to quote.

Prediction- Mercedes 1-2?

2-1 and HAM allows Bottas to have some fun!

About the Honda motor, from what I've read the spec3 delta was ~10 HP. I wouldn't be surprised if Honda is actually behind Mercedes, Ferarri and yes... Renault in terms of raw speed.

[loner]

When you qualify one second behind the leader and you only equal Mclaren in the corners then you know power is the least of your problems. How much is Honda behind 10hp 20hp 100hp . Ferrari still has fuel issues in race Renault can't run high engine mode for longer like Honda can do . The Japanese are hard on themselves they won't be satisfied until they are number 1 they are obsessive about it as Marquez reiterated in moto gp.personally I think Honda are doing relatively ok people are just taking their frustrations on them because they are easy target.if Honda leave then what u think Rbr will magically become fastest with Renault or Ferrari engine

not because they didn't deliver in 5 years ?!!
tell me what is the useful thing from starting the season lacking power and just matching(if ever) your rivals in last 5 races ?
Honda trend is to start the season weak and getting strong in last few races .. whats wrong with starting the season on equal power like Mercs and Ferrari? if they are incapable well just go home.
and i said it alot RBR are lacking efficiency as well.

There is no such thing as Honda Team in current F1. The name of the team is Red Bull Racing and it seams that a lot of people had moved into this tread for the wrong reason. Honda is just an engine supplier, with a premium contract with RBR. They got no influence on anything internally and strategically within RBR, other than to bring that propulsion force at the back of the car.

advertising got a million face.. and i couldn't care less , they just need to deliver.
they re-entered f1 for the hybrid tech they needed the tech coz its the only way forward ICE will fade slowly...
now after 5 years iam sure they have alot of experience , so they either up their dull game or pack their bags.

[HPD]

The people have to calm down. At the beginning of the year people said that RB Honda would be a failure. And they are still the third best team. It is not enough but they are still a great team.

Austria will be difficult, even harder than France. Do not expect miracles, we lack power and chassis.
If we can not run with low downforce like the others, we will be slow on the straights.. This does not have a solution for the next races, just accept it..

For the fans of Renault and Mclaren I tell them that these teams are doing a good job, Renault also has a good engine. But as a team, he still needs a lot to fight with RB. Try not to dirty the thread, RB Honda is still fighting against Ferrari, not against Mclaren or Renault. (No offense)

[PowerandtheGlory]

The people have to calm down. At the beginning of the year people said that RB Honda would be a failure. And they are still the third best team. It is not enough but they are still a great team.

Austria will be difficult, even harder than France. Do not expect miracles, we lack power and chassis.
If we can not run with low downforce like the others, we will be slow on the straights.. This does not have a solution for the next races, just accept it..

For the fans of Renault and Mclaren I tell them that these teams are doing a good job, Renault also has a good engine. But as a team, he still needs a lot to fight with RB. Try not to dirty the thread, RB Honda is still fighting against Ferrari, not against Mclaren or Renault. (No offense)

People said RB was a failure?
I think most of RB’s upper management were saying they were hoping for “the same if not better” from Honda.
So far as a package this year - no wins.
The only team that has won races is Merc.
So basically, merc are in their own race.
And everybody else is fighting for 3rd places and scraps... boring but true.

It gives me no pleasure saying this but RB haven’t moved forwards from last year. Not yet anyway.. and Gasly is having his F1 career finished by a stellar team mate in Max.
Sad but also True.

RB will be safely 3rd this year.. thanks to Max, but if they don’t win a race.. I wonder if it triggers Max’s performance clause in his contract....

Prediction- Ocon to Renault. Hulk to red bull.
Max to either Ferrari or Merc..

[HPD]

RB will be safely 3rd this year.. thanks to Max, but if they don’t win a race.. I wonder if it triggers Max’s performance clause in his contract....

Max deserves to be a champion with RB or another team. He is a great pilot.

During the break before qualifying, the engineers decided at short notice to rebuild the setup at the last minute. More downforce was the motto. "With the flatter wings, we lost more in the turns than we won on the straights," said Red Bull sports director Helmut Marko.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... in-schach/

[Bill]

So Honda trend is to start weak and finish strong what about redbull they always start slow and have been rubbish when ever they is a new regulations change.Honda has a clear defined goal and plans and hp numbers and dates on when they will have completely closed the power gap to Ferrari,that's immediately after summer break.do we know when redbull would have sorted their chassis will they even be capable off.

[Ground Effect]

I wonder why people are so obsessed with power when the car is clearly having issues. Truth be told, Red Bull build excellent chassis, so it's easy to automatically think that if Red Bull have a problem, it must be with the engine. When a driver says, I have no grip, the rear is unstable, how can that be a problem for the engine. Haas struggled with grip, is anybody wondering about the PU? Williams?? I think it's safe to say that Ferrari and Mercedes are still ahead, no argument there. Red Bull are no strangers to winning races with less power than their rivals, because they've usually had a good chassis. So even if Red Bull has less power than the top 2, which has always been the case, the real reason they're not challenging for wins is because they built a car that, by their high standards, isn't good enough. After all, Red Bull told Honda get us within x amount of HP, we'll do the rest. From all I've heard from Red Bull, Marko, Max, Horner, they've all said Honda delivered as promised.

[fellowhoodlums]

Red Bull have stated that their car isn't as good as it could be. I assume they'll have one big shot at sorting it before end of summer.

No Red Bull complains about the engine.

[loner]

I wonder why people are so obsessed with power when the car is clearly having issues. Truth be told, Red Bull build excellent chassis, so it's easy to automatically think that if Red Bull have a problem, it must be with the engine. When a driver says, I have no grip, the rear is unstable, how can that be a problem for the engine. Haas struggled with grip, is anybody wondering about the PU? Williams?? I think it's safe to say that Ferrari and Mercedes are still ahead, no argument there. Red Bull are no strangers to winning races with less power than their rivals, because they've usually had a good chassis. So even if Red Bull has less power than the top 2, which has always been the case, the real reason they're not challenging for wins is because they built a car that, by their high standards, isn't good enough. After all, Red Bull told Honda get us within x amount of HP, we'll do the rest. From all I've heard from Red Bull, Marko, Max, Horner, they've all said Honda delivered as promised.

point is both parties underestimated the steps taken by Mercedes and Ferrari in the winter,as been said by Marko..
thats lack of professionalism, we can argue alot but eventually both sides didn't deliver.
this is year 5 for Honda .. always start the season on the back foot, they have a golden opportunity to shine now call MAX.. chassis not very good but you won't finish a full minute of the midfield and have an equal pace to Ferrari with a turd one.. since Tanabe admit it him self Honda lack power to front runners.
they need to introduce a power upgrades and to start 2020 season in equal power as Mercs and Ferrari.

[_cerber1]

The former pilot of Red Bull, and now Ziggo Sport analyst Robert Dornbos, shared information about the state of affairs in the team. According to him, the Honda engine is still much inferior to competitors from Mercedes, despite the recent updates.

“Max has a great season and is trying to lead the team,” Robert explained on Dutch television. - He is very relaxed in his comments, does a great job, but at the same time he says: Red Bull and Honda, your vehicle is no good.

They are still 60 horsepower behind the Mercedes. I still have friends in the team, so I know. The difference is about the same as on the worst days with the Renault engine. Honda must be added more to reach the desired level of power.

https://autosport.com.ru/f1/57264-rober ... adinyh-sil

[seense]

I wonder why people are so obsessed with power when the car is clearly having issues. Truth be told, Red Bull build excellent chassis, so it's easy to automatically think that if Red Bull have a problem, it must be with the engine. When a driver says, I have no grip, the rear is unstable, how can that be a problem for the engine. Haas struggled with grip, is anybody wondering about the PU? Williams?? I think it's safe to say that Ferrari and Mercedes are still ahead, no argument there. Red Bull are no strangers to winning races with less power than their rivals, because they've usually had a good chassis. So even if Red Bull has less power than the top 2, which has always been the case, the real reason they're not challenging for wins is because they built a car that, by their high standards, isn't good enough. After all, Red Bull told Honda get us within x amount of HP, we'll do the rest. From all I've heard from Red Bull, Marko, Max, Horner, they've all said Honda delivered as promised.

I agree. The chassis needs improvement. Can you imagen the result of Max when he would have had RB14's rear last weekend? Just take a look:

RB14 Paul Ricard


RB15 Paul Ricard

[rogazilla]

Max IS asking for more power.

Why not read the whole quote? Max is asking for more power AND more car upgrade. In this race, he specifically said they added down force to settle the rear and sacrificed the straight. We could easily ignore the first part of his quote and say 'Max IS asking for more car upgrade'.

[bosyber]

The former pilot of Red Bull, and now Ziggo Sport analyst Robert Dornbos ...

https://autosport.com.ru/f1/57264-rober ... adinyh-sil

I know it's translated from a cyrillic, which means that either google, or the available letters, apparently can't reproduce the double o sound of Dutch, but, it's Doornbos.

Anway, interesting bit of info; though that 60HP seems way too much, that's certainly not in the races, though perhaps in some ways in Q3 it might be still multiple decades of HPs.

Of course, we have to note: this was probably said on the Dutch Ziggo sport channel, talking about Verstappen for Dutch fans, and as far as I have seen, they are hardly ever very critical of Verstappen, and will tend to blame other factors for him not being on top. Even so, I think everyone will agree, he is quite likely the strongest link inside the team on the race weekends, and has been having a very solid season.

Now, I have to say: I think it's good that towards the outside world, the team is remaining positive towards Honda - compare and contrast McLaren/Renault to RedBull/Renault, and the Honda version.

McLaren until 2018 had more and more negativity creeping in, stressing team and Honda, stressed, missing deadlines and promises, being quite unreliable; and similar picture for Red Bull and Renault. Now, a bit of that pressure gone, switched from Alonso and a bit of a cooperative spirit. Yes, not by any means ideal, but, Renault PU's appear to be competitive w. Merc and Ferrari in the races, and certainly better than Honda on the Saturday's. Also, while Honda isn't there yet, they have made steady improvements ever since switching from McLaren, so I do see much the same story for RedBull/Honda, if they can keep the more positive attitude (which so far Verstappen has largely maintained towards the outside at least).

[IvailoStefanovBG]

I wonder why people are so obsessed with power when the car is clearly having issues. Truth be told, Red Bull build excellent chassis, so it's easy to automatically think that if Red Bull have a problem, it must be with the engine. When a driver says, I have no grip, the rear is unstable, how can that be a problem for the engine. Haas struggled with grip, is anybody wondering about the PU? Williams?? I think it's safe to say that Ferrari and Mercedes are still ahead, no argument there. Red Bull are no strangers to winning races with less power than their rivals, because they've usually had a good chassis. So even if Red Bull has less power than the top 2, which has always been the case, the real reason they're not challenging for wins is because they built a car that, by their high standards, isn't good enough. After all, Red Bull told Honda get us within x amount of HP, we'll do the rest. From all I've heard from Red Bull, Marko, Max, Horner, they've all said Honda delivered as promised.

I agree. The chassis needs improvement. Can you imagen the result of Max when he would have had RB14's rear last weekend? Just take a look:

RB14 Paul Ricard
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P57429/circui ... P57429.jpg

RB15 Paul Ricard
https://verstappen.nl/img/2019/Formule_ ... 27-20b.jpg

Very good pictures. Enormous difference in RW.

[Bill]

The difference between the two wing is stack and interesting or perhaps we should just blame the engine and Promote Renault pu as the second coming