Drivers not happy with Hamilton's on-track behaviour

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Oh this just takes the Cake!!!

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 2402.shtml
Lewis Hamilton hoped patriotism would help him stretch out even more of a championship lead in Sunday's Singapore Grand Prix.

The McLaren driver finished third in F1's first ever night race, extending his lead over title rival Felipe Massa to a solid seven points.

But Hamilton rued getting 'stuck behind' his British compatriot David Coulthard, a Scot who drives for Red Bull.

"I hoped my fellow Brit might help me out, but he was in the points and wanted a good result," he told The Times.

Coulthard finished the race seventh.
Blewitt is officially an idiot, as if DC is gonna give up points so Blewitt can win the title!!! [-X
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djos wrote:Nando has always been good at making his car as wide as possible even when fighting Shumi he was never ever dirty or unsporting! His racing style has always been very clean and fair!
So he's never crashed because he went flat out into a double waved yellow flag situation.

And he's never ever pushed other drivers off the track? Especially not at high speed on a straight?

And he's never ever been accused of brake testing people? And certainly not on more than one occasion.

And he's never sulked and pulled a team apart because he wasn't given preferential treatment over his team mate? Nor has he ever admitted to benefiting from another teams data? (let us not forget that just last year the only people ever named as having been directly using the Ferrari data were Coughlan, Alonso, and de la Rosa).

Alonso is a great driver and I cheered him on for his two titles - despite my hatred of his Brazil crash under waved yellows which almost put me off him completely. I don't think much of him as a team player and hold him responsible for a large part of the problems at McLaren last year - but that is off track behavior and doesn't really affect my judgment of his on track behavior.

From a sportsmanship perspective he has been particularly good on track this season, not too bad last season, but before that he really was not terribly sporting on all occasions. He's certainly had his moments.

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He's not perfect and clearly Maclaren was not the ideal team for him last year but he doesn't run around expecting other drivers to just get out of his way or compare himself to the greatest F1 driver to have ever lived.
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djos wrote:He's not perfect and clearly Maclaren was not the ideal team for him last year but he doesn't run around expecting other drivers to just get out of his way or compare himself to the greatest F1 driver to have ever lived.
Oh give over - Lewis never said he expected DC to do so, unlike Massa claiming that Sutil should dive out his way when it suits. I've not seen the original source of the quote, but it's quite possible he was making a joke and you've taken it out of context.

And where is this other quote even from? It's unattributed, and there's no context so I'm gonna go with it being exaggerated. But you know what, even if he did say it, so what? I'm Senna's biggest fan and I can see the similarities and self belief. Lewis has a long way to go to prove himself to be that good, but his self belief is what he needs to be able to do just that. How many F1 drivers get into the car thinking "You know what, I'm fairly good at this. Hopefully I won't crash today, and wow that other guys gonna own me out there." To win, first you have to believe you can.

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myurr wrote:Oh give over - Lewis never said he expected DC to do so, unlike Massa claiming that Sutil should dive out his way when it suits. I've not seen the original source of the quote, but it's quite possible he was making a joke and you've taken it out of context.

And where is this other quote even from? It's unattributed, and there's no context so I'm gonna go with it being exaggerated. But you know what, even if he did say it, so what? I'm Senna's biggest fan and I can see the similarities and self belief. Lewis has a long way to go to prove himself to be that good, but his self belief is what he needs to be able to do just that. How many F1 drivers get into the car thinking "You know what, I'm fairly good at this. Hopefully I won't crash today, and wow that other guys gonna own me out there." To win, first you have to believe you can.
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myurr wrote:And he's never ever pushed other drivers off the track? Especially not at high speed on a straight?
Could you please point me to the incident you are thinking about? I know full well he crashed in Brazil 2003, and I know he's braketested Robert Doornbos in Hugary 2006, but I fail to see when he pushed other drivers off the track at high speed in a straight. I know that Schumacher did this to him in the 2003 British GP, though.

I feel you are thinking about Nürburgring 2003, when Coulthard crashed in the NGK chicane. Telemetry shows Fernando braked in the same point the previous lap. In any case, strictly speaking that would be braketesting, not pushing someone off the track in a straight.
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In my book, You have malicious PUSHING with intent and then you have FRIGHTENING another driver (like a little girl :lol: ) off the track..
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well there seems to be some respect coming from various current and world champion [x7] angles about Hamilton's on track ability...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 680949.stm

Michael Shumacher says ""I really rate him very highly because I believe that what he has done in such a short time is incredible. Competing last year with Alonso and being often quicker talks for itself."

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 680529.stm

Mark Webber says "Out of Hamilton and Massa, I would say Lewis deserves the championship"
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What does that prove? I don't really need Shoey's opinion to notice that Lewis simply drove away from pole to win last GP. But talking about decency of on-track behaviour MS would be the last person to ask lol.

I'll be gutted when/if Lewis wins it this year, because he wasn't just a good driver, but a really bad racer too... unlike last year. If he wins it now this kid's arrogance will reach the stars and he might never grow up :roll:

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modbaraban wrote:..If he wins it now this kid's arrogance will reach the stars and he might never grow up :roll:
I agree. But, unfortunately I'd hate to see Massa win even more.. much more. The guy is a nice driver but has shown too many times how incapable he is of hussling like crap when he needs to to get the extra point here and there. He also sounds really smug in so many interviews especially where comments on steward rulings are concerned. He's not a future legend anything like Alonso and Hamilton are - I think he just had a great and hooked-up car on a few occasions. Reliable - yes, great - no.

So.. viva la Kibuca!

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n smikle wrote:In my book, You have malicious PUSHING with intent and then you have FRIGHTENING another driver (like a little girl :lol: ) off the track..
Not to get off topic but did anyone see what happened to Scott Speed in the ARCA series final race? He was set to win the championship in his first year but the guy second in points crashed him out very blatantly. Speed paid him back and made sure he wouldn't win the championship by crashing the leader (him) on purpose. I say Scott did the right thing.

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