2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Jambier]

Pff what a complete mess. I really hope Eddie Jordan is right for once.

What did Eddie Jordan say this time?

McLaren will switch to the Mercedes PU for 2020. This seems unlikely for 2020 but more likely for 2021.

Does that mean that Racing Point or Williams will loose the Mercedes engine ?
It would be a good news for McLaren, helping them to continue progress

[RonDennis]

I wouldn't worry too much about P4. McLaren has good pace and the others are picking points from each other as well. Toro Rosso scored 51 points after 13 races and the gap is 30 points, which makes it nearly impossible to outscore McLaren. New updates are coming in Singapore, which will probably be the last according to Seidl.

What did Eddie Jordan say this time?

McLaren will switch to the Mercedes PU for 2020. This seems unlikely for 2020 but more likely for 2021.

Does that mean that Racing Point or Williams will loose the Mercedes engine ?
It would be a good news for McLaren, helping them to continue progress

Mercedes can supply four teams. They were already willing to supply McLaren in 2018, but time ran out.

"We wanted to give McLaren an engine," Wolff told ESPN.

"The problem is that it dragged on for a long time and we just didn't have the structure in place and the capacity to supply them an engine for 2018. It was simply too late."

[Darth-Piekus]

Seidl confirmed that in both cases, the problems were only associated with SU. Renault owe us a race.

The cause of the gatherings in both cases, according to Seidl, were Renault engines.

“One of the pilots did not manage to start at all. However, this is a problem with Renault engines, not our flaw.

They are really trying very hard to increase the power of the engines throughout the season and we are happy about it. But putting a new motor, getting a fine for it and eventually getting off due to its breakdown is a shame. However, we have an open relationship and we can work together to find a reason, ”said the head of the McLaren team.

Seidl also recalled that Sainz had an updated engine, while Norris had an old one, but with a significant residual resource: “We don’t know what it is yet, but apparently the reason is not in the versions of the engines.”

Pff what a complete mess. I really hope Eddie Jordan is right for once.

Formula 1 is not a charity. McLaren expects a top engine. If they do not intend to spend money then perhaps we should go back to Mercedes or have another try with Honda. At least they intend to spend money.

[Big Tea]

Seidl confirmed that in both cases, the problems were only associated with SU. Renault owe us a race.

The cause of the gatherings in both cases, according to Seidl, were Renault engines.

“One of the pilots did not manage to start at all. However, this is a problem with Renault engines, not our flaw.

They are really trying very hard to increase the power of the engines throughout the season and we are happy about it. But putting a new motor, getting a fine for it and eventually getting off due to its breakdown is a shame. However, we have an open relationship and we can work together to find a reason, ”said the head of the McLaren team.

Seidl also recalled that Sainz had an updated engine, while Norris had an old one, but with a significant residual resource: “We don’t know what it is yet, but apparently the reason is not in the versions of the engines.”

Pff what a complete mess. I really hope Eddie Jordan is right for once.

Formula 1 is not a charity. McLaren expects a top engine. If they do not intend to spend money then perhaps we should go back to Mercedes or have another try with Honda. At least they intend to spend money.

I would like to see a return to Honda, under better circumstance, but suspect RedBull will do their best to Veto it, as (allegedly) Mclaren did when the boot was on the other foot.

[Jambier]

Having a Mercedes engine would be a very very good new for the team.

If Mercedes is willing to provide them, they should make it.
Of course it has impact on the car design, so maybe a switch for 2021 would be the better choice ?

I want to see McLaren back were it belongs, fighting with the guys at the top

[Bill]

Mclaren Honda third bite at cherry is not going to happen.Honda simply can't stand Mclaren they is a lot of animus. Honda cancelled contract in Indy with their old partner to run away from Mclaren.

[McL-H]

Pff what a complete mess. I really hope Eddie Jordan is right for once.

Formula 1 is not a charity. McLaren expects a top engine. If they do not intend to spend money then perhaps we should go back to Mercedes or have another try with Honda. At least they intend to spend money.

I would like to see a return to Honda, under better circumstance, but suspect RedBull will do their best to Veto it, as (allegedly) Mclaren did when the boot was on the other foot.

I think we blew it with Honda. Should have sticked with them for the relationship. After 3 years of miserable performances, the coin would soon flip the other way around. I hate to see Red Bull profit from all of McLaren’s investments. If we were to go back to Honda now, we’d just be a customer. While all attention would go to Red Bull as their works team.

In current F1, you need a works deal to fight the top teams. We had that, and Mansour blew it. I think it would be best to either stick with Renault or move to Mercedes. I expect to see Renault pull the plug after next season if they do not improve. We could become their works team. Best would be to get a Mercedes works deal, but I don’t see them stopping their F1 team anytime soon.

[Big Tea]

Formula 1 is not a charity. McLaren expects a top engine. If they do not intend to spend money then perhaps we should go back to Mercedes or have another try with Honda. At least they intend to spend money.

I would like to see a return to Honda, under better circumstance, but suspect RedBull will do their best to Veto it, as (allegedly) Mclaren did when the boot was on the other foot.

I think we blew it with Honda. Should have sticked with them for the relationship. After 3 years of miserable performances, the coin would soon flip the other way around. I hate to see Red Bull profit from all of McLaren’s investments. If we were to go back to Honda now, we’d just be a customer. While all attention would go to Red Bull as their works team.

In current F1, you need a works deal to fight the top teams. We had that, and Mansour blew it. I think it would be best to either stick with Renault or move to Mercedes. I expect to see Renault pull the plug after next season if they do not improve. We could become their works team. Best would be to get a Mercedes works deal, but I don’t see them stopping their F1 team anytime soon.

I was dead against the split with Honda, however looking back I was wrong. They had painted themselves into a corner and the only way forward for either was a step back.

Mclaren are now well grounded and Honda have 'been around the block' so it may work.
As I said though, RBR may still be smarting from not being allowed an engine and make a point on it

[Andres125sx]

This is funny, so after reliability problems with a PU wich is not the best, people is claiming for a switch... to another PU wich is not the best and is suffering reliability problems too?



If we´re going to dream, at least ask for the best PU, since traditional partners didn´t work (McLaren-Honda), what about a completely new one (McLaren-Ferrari)?

[Andres125sx]

Renault seems to be pushing engine development too hard. They are failing their championship goals so they are pushing the limits on all fields. This means McLaren is in for a ride. Why would Renault work on reliability if their car can't reach top 10 on pace.

That´s not a dumb approach if you ask me. Since they´re not going to fight for the title this season, push the limits as hard as possible in an attempt to improve as much as possible for next seasons

Not a dumb approach for Renault, and exactly the same for McLaren, they´re on a very similar situation

[Andres125sx]

Best would be to get a Mercedes works deal, but I don’t see them stopping their F1 team anytime soon.

Not that I´m asking for this, but I see it the other way around, Mercedes will probably pull the plug from F1 quite soon. They´ve win all titles in past 6 seasons, so not much more to get from F1, and they´re entering FE next season so...

[RonDennis]

Best would be to get a Mercedes works deal, but I don’t see them stopping their F1 team anytime soon.

Not that I´m asking for this, but I see it the other way around, Mercedes will probably pull the plug from F1 quite soon. They´ve win all titles in past 6 seasons, so not much more to get from F1, and they´re entering FE next season so...

It's the cheapest advertising they have ever done. They won't quit.

This is funny, so after reliability problems with a PU wich is not the best, people is claiming for a switch... to another PU wich is not the best and is suffering reliability problems too?

https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... 00x367.jpg

If we´re going to dream, at least ask for the best PU, since traditional partners didn´t work (McLaren-Honda), what about a completely new one (McLaren-Ferrari)?

Yeah, let's compare Renault with the most dominant engine since 2014. Those are incidents, while it's something with Renault every race.

[Andres125sx]

Best would be to get a Mercedes works deal, but I don’t see them stopping their F1 team anytime soon.

Not that I´m asking for this, but I see it the other way around, Mercedes will probably pull the plug from F1 quite soon. They´ve win all titles in past 6 seasons, so not much more to get from F1, and they´re entering FE next season so...

It's the cheapest advertising they have ever done. They won't quit.

Cheapest? Do you have an idea about how many hundreds if not thousands millions they´ve invested in their F1 program since they started developing the PU several years before 2014?

This is funny, so after reliability problems with a PU wich is not the best, people is claiming for a switch... to another PU wich is not the best and is suffering reliability problems too?

https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... 00x367.jpg

If we´re going to dream, at least ask for the best PU, since traditional partners didn´t work (McLaren-Honda), what about a completely new one (McLaren-Ferrari)?

Yeah, let's compare Renault with the most dominant engine since 2014. Those are incidents, while it's something with Renault every race.

Since 2014... up to past season. This season the whole paddock agree Ferrari owns the best PU, to the point Mercedes, while trying to match it, have pushed their own PU too far with the consequences seen in Spa. Not the best moment to ask for a switch to Mercedes sincerely

[RonDennis]

Not that I´m asking for this, but I see it the other way around, Mercedes will probably pull the plug from F1 quite soon. They´ve win all titles in past 6 seasons, so not much more to get from F1, and they´re entering FE next season so...

It's the cheapest advertising they have ever done. They won't quit.

Cheapest? Do you have an idea about how many hundreds if not thousands millions they´ve invested in their F1 program since they started developing the PU several years before 2014?

This is funny, so after reliability problems with a PU wich is not the best, people is claiming for a switch... to another PU wich is not the best and is suffering reliability problems too?

https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/w ... 00x367.jpg

If we´re going to dream, at least ask for the best PU, since traditional partners didn´t work (McLaren-Honda), what about a completely new one (McLaren-Ferrari)?

Yeah, let's compare Renault with the most dominant engine since 2014. Those are incidents, while it's something with Renault every race.

Since 2014... up to past season. This season the whole paddock agree Ferrari owns the best PU, to the point Mercedes, while trying to match it, have pushed their own PU too far with the consequences seen in Spa. Not the best moment to ask for a switch to Mercedes sincerely

I suggest you look into the numbers, because you clearly don't know much about it. It's actually a bargain.

[diffuser]

I think McLaren need to work on their own reliability issues cause I'm pretty sure that if I count DNFs this year McLaren are responsible for atleast as many as the PU.

As far as another manfacture's PU...it would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.