2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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there's no doubt at all that he was underfueled. You just need to have a look at the first (quick) longrun lap on softs:

NOR 1:23.561
VER 1:24,848
BOT 1:24.939
ALB 1:24.976
LEC 1:25.241
PER 1:25.732
KVY 1:25.858

Sure, he had new tires while the others did a couple of quick laps before starting their long run, but that gap is still way too big for genuine pace.

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search wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 09:58
there's no doubt at all that he was underfueled. You just need to have a look at the first (quick) longrun lap on softs:

NOR 1:23.561
VER 1:24,848
BOT 1:24.939
ALB 1:24.976
LEC 1:25.241
PER 1:25.732
KVY 1:25.858

Sure, he had new tires while the others did a couple of quick laps before starting their long run, but that gap is still way too big for genuine pace.
Maybe track evolution coupled with new tyres? He did come out with, what, 20mins left?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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I understand there’s rain expected for race day. I don’t know whether it’ll be there from the start though. If the forecast suggests the race will start wet, then maybe they can get Lando to push for Q3 and give Carlos a tow. Since if it does start wet, the Q2 tyre rule won’t apply.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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07 Sep 2019, 10:16
I understand there’s rain expected for race day. I don’t know whether it’ll be there from the start though. If the forecast suggests the race will start wet, then maybe they can get Lando to push for Q3 and give Carlos a tow. Since if it does start wet, the Q2 tyre rule won’t apply.
When I looked at was clear till around 4, but I'm not sure if its changed.
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Sainz did not improve during the training qualifications?

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07 Sep 2019, 13:36
Sainz did not improve during the training qualifications?
I think they had issues with traffic, there was a comment on the TeamStream, but I’m not sure if it was a conversation with Lando or Carlos.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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during his last attempt, there was some traffic in the 1st sector, but Sainz still set a personal best. He lost it with a little wobble out of the Rettifilo

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search wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 09:58
there's no doubt at all that he was underfueled. You just need to have a look at the first (quick) longrun lap on softs:

NOR 1:23.561
VER 1:24,848
BOT 1:24.939
ALB 1:24.976
LEC 1:25.241
PER 1:25.732
KVY 1:25.858

Sure, he had new tires while the others did a couple of quick laps before starting their long run, but that gap is still way too big for genuine pace.
Again you're presuming they're all driving as fast as they can as opposed to going to a predetermined rate. I think that was going on. They're all driving at a pace they think they can sustain based on tire temp/tire consumption.
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I think after the first run was completed, Sainz said that the car did not feel as good as it did yesterday. Maybe the changed conditions made them lose something. Anyway, pointless to speculate right now, qualifying starts soon. If they perform here similarly to how they performed in Spa, then we shouldn't expect much during quali but their race pace will be good.

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diffuser wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 14:17
search wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 09:58
there's no doubt at all that he was underfueled. You just need to have a look at the first (quick) longrun lap on softs:

NOR 1:23.561
VER 1:24,848
BOT 1:24.939
ALB 1:24.976
LEC 1:25.241
PER 1:25.732
KVY 1:25.858

Sure, he had new tires while the others did a couple of quick laps before starting their long run, but that gap is still way too big for genuine pace.
Again you're presuming they're all driving as fast as they can as opposed to going to a predetermined rate. I think that was going on. They're all driving at a pace they think they can sustain based on tire temp/tire consumption.
yes, sure, all we can do from the couch is making assumptions, based on watching experience. And seeing the times Norris set, my assumption is that (given the minimal amount of time left in the session) McLaren decided to do a 2nd stint race simulation at a mid-fuel load.

If you prefer to believe that the McLaren is quicker in the longrun than Mercedes and Ferrari instead, you're free to do so, of course.

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search wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 14:40
diffuser wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 14:17
search wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 09:58
there's no doubt at all that he was underfueled. You just need to have a look at the first (quick) longrun lap on softs:

NOR 1:23.561
VER 1:24,848
BOT 1:24.939
ALB 1:24.976
LEC 1:25.241
PER 1:25.732
KVY 1:25.858

Sure, he had new tires while the others did a couple of quick laps before starting their long run, but that gap is still way too big for genuine pace.
Again you're presuming they're all driving as fast as they can as opposed to going to a predetermined rate. I think that was going on. They're all driving at a pace they think they can sustain based on tire temp/tire consumption.
yes, sure, all we can do from the couch is making assumptions, based on watching experience. And seeing the times Norris set, my assumption is that (given the minimal amount of time left in the session) McLaren decided to do a 2nd stint race simulation at a mid-fuel load.

If you prefer to believe that the McLaren is quicker in the longrun than Mercedes and Ferrari instead, you're free to do so, of course.
Nope, Don't belelive that. I was still reffering back to the previous post, one off lap of 1.5 sec diff.

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If it's any help the fastest lap in the race last year was 1.22.5
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Sainz complaining of high track temps hurting the car's pace. Maybe they should cool down the rear wheels before exiting pits like Mercedes.

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Sainz v hulk. Ric is off in the distance impressive pace from Ric.
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We don't really have a low DF package ...