2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[M840TR]

I wonder if Zak manages to steal Orlen from Williams, especially since Petrobras is pulling the plug.

Probably not since it's Kubica's sponsor.

[RonDennis]

I wonder if Zak manages to steal Orlen from Williams, especially since Petrobras is pulling the plug.

They had talks, but it's all nice that Petrobras want's out but I'm sure there are contracts in place. It's not like the Brazilian state can do whatever they want.

The third possibility Orlen was investigating was McLaren. When, a few days ago, we told people in the company that we knew about the visit of Orlen's representatives to London and the meeting with the heads of the British team, they were silent, then they tried to establish where we had this knowledge, and finally we were unofficially confirmed. The problem is that in McLaren there is virtually no room for Kubica, or at least that's how the band was supposed to present the matter during the first talks.

https://sport.onet.pl/formula-1/orlen-w ... ha/cbezc46

[diffuser]

sainz comment, which is very well documented in the numbers here

Sainz "Today's position corresponds to the performance. We need a little more speed in the straight, but having more load allows us to go better in the slow. In the first sector we are doing very well"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGlAQM6UcAE ... =4096x4096

He could've easily been 2-3 tenths faster if not for the mistake in the final chicane where he excessively rode the first kerb. They've been quick enough today to match Redbull's race pace and end up within a second to pole but I'd say Carlos is being coy about it.

Should we be concerned by this trend of McLaren running above average DF since a couple of races before the summer break ?

[PhillipM]

Not really, most of the teams have trended towards more downforce than expected with the tyres this year.
With Saturday cancelled and the track expected to be washed green for qualifying and the race, going with more downforce is a safe option to control the tyre wear.

[M840TR]

sainz comment, which is very well documented in the numbers here

Sainz "Today's position corresponds to the performance. We need a little more speed in the straight, but having more load allows us to go better in the slow. In the first sector we are doing very well"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGlAQM6UcAE ... =4096x4096

He could've easily been 2-3 tenths faster if not for the mistake in the final chicane where he excessively rode the first kerb. They've been quick enough today to match Redbull's race pace and end up within a second to pole but I'd say Carlos is being coy about it.

Should we be concerned by this trend of McLaren running above average DF since a couple of races before the summer break ?

It's the better setup direction with thinner tread tyres. The car gets unpredictable really quick without it. Plus they suffer more than others on low-df since there's still no permanent & efficient solution to low-speed performance deficit.

[Juzh]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k


vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq


As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

[Benii6]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k
https://streamable.com/9538k

vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq
https://streamable.com/yl7mq

As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

I don't agree with your analysis. How is Mclaren all of a sudden as fast as the RedBull through the corners in first and partially second sector? They're clearly running a lot more wing. And that's what's hurting them on the non DRS back straight, not the Renault.

[Xero]

If you watch closely the bulk of the time deficit comes from the final chicane. Sainz is very cautious under braking, and the car get's a bit unsettled and bogs down over the kerbs, which loses time down the straight too. Use the yellow paint on the run off of 130r as a reference, can't be more than 3 tenths between them on the exit of 130r. If Sainz can nail that final chicane he could have Red Bull looking over their shoulder.

[diffuser]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k
https://streamable.com/9538k

vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq
https://streamable.com/yl7mq

As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

Sainz actually goes in to turns 13 and 14 ahead(1:04) but comes out behind Max(1:09). Max carries 10 KPH more speed thru the corner. Max also gets on the throttle a fraction earlier. Sainz never does recover more than half of that 10KPH before 15. It only appears to, since Max hits 15 earlier and has his speed drop off earlier.

You could argue that the Renault out accelerates the Honda in the uphill battle out of turn 14 down into 15 because Sainz's speed is getting closer and closer to Max's, having started with a 10KPH deficit.

[Juzh]

You could argue that the Renault out accelerates the Honda in the uphill battle out of turn 14 down into 15 because Sainz's speed is getting closer and closer to Max's, having started with a 10KPH deficit.

Obviously when you get to top speed your advantage in acceleration will start to diminish. This doesn't mean renault out accelerated the honda here since sainz never reaches even close to verstappen's top speed.

[Juzh]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k
https://streamable.com/9538k

vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq
https://streamable.com/yl7mq

As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

I don't agree with your analysis. How is Mclaren all of a sudden as fast as the RedBull through the corners in first and partially second sector? They're clearly running a lot more wing. And that's what's hurting them on the non DRS back straight, not the Renault.

Sure, whatever makes you feel better This speed drop of just after 130r has been renault's weakness for years and years, and nothing changed. I have similar clips like these ones from last year of both alonso and verstappen with renault power and they were nowhere after 130r speed wise. Just like this year.
To me it's quite clear renault's energy recuperation on tracks with big dependancy on mgu-h is clearly lagging behind competitors.

[Benii6]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k
https://streamable.com/9538k

vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq
https://streamable.com/yl7mq

As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

I don't agree with your analysis. How is Mclaren all of a sudden as fast as the RedBull through the corners in first and partially second sector? They're clearly running a lot more wing. And that's what's hurting them on the non DRS back straight, not the Renault.

Sure, whatever makes you feel better This speed drop of just after 130r has been renault's weakness for years and years, and nothing changed. I have similar clips like these ones from last year of both alonso and verstappen with renault power and they were nowhere after 130r speed wise. Just like this year.
To me it's quite clear renault's energy recuperation on tracks with big dependancy on mgu-h is clearly lagging behind competitors.

Well, I hope we'll have quali on sunday and we get to see how the Renault factory cars go after the 130r.

[_cerber1]

[diffuser]

You could argue that the Renault out accelerates the Honda in the uphill battle out of turn 14 down into 15 because Sainz's speed is getting closer and closer to Max's, having started with a 10KPH deficit.

Obviously when you get to top speed your advantage in acceleration will start to diminish. This doesn't mean renault out accelerated the honda here since sainz never reaches even close to verstappen's top speed.

Agreed. No, it doesn't mean that but you can argue the point. . It's obvious Both PUs are struggling to acheive the same top speed they get going downhill past the finished line and into turn 1. We would need to see the back of the car to see if the flashing light turns on to see if they're out of electrical power. I would not be surprised if both cars run out of electrical power for a few seconds and then it comes back on. Since they're both at full throttle the turbo is at max electrical generation. The acceleration looks uneven at times. Looks like it slows then returns to the previous rate. that could be a 1000 things though.

[Andres125sx]

sainz's p7 lap from fp2 - 1.29.051
https://streamable.com/9538k
https://streamable.com/9538k

vs verstappen
https://streamable.com/yl7mq
https://streamable.com/yl7mq

As you can see mclaren holds it's own pretty well against verstappen here up until spoon corner, then gets completely demolished on the back straight. Bad ERS recovery after 130r is a tradition at this point for renault engines. Just look at how much speed sainz loses compared to verstappen at that stage. The sooner they're done with renault, the better for them. I don't think car itself is too draggy, since speed on the main straight is almost identical.

Wow thanks for the videos and analysis . Yes both cars are perfectly matched up to spoon, and after 130R top speed before hitting brakes is 303km/h for RBR vs 288 for McLaren

Aerodinamically I think we can safely say RBR is some step forward, so PUs power can be argued, maybe Renault is providing a bit more peak power wich makes up the deficit of running more wing, but we can´t argue Renault is lacking some ERS recovery with that difference after 130R when they´ve been perfectly matched the whole lap up to that point