2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[lio007]

Almost 1,5sec faster than RIC's Q3-time last year. In my opinion the move to Honda was the best they could do. I think they are a big part of their recent quali-improvements! Exciting times to come.

[Sayeman]

That straight line speed difference is still too much. At some point over 12 km/h. Honda's still got some way to go.

[LM10]

That straight line speed difference is still too much. At some point over 12 km/h. Honda's still got some way to go.

It's not only up to power. Ferrari is a quite efficient car. Less downforce, less drag.

Honda has surprised me in Mexico and also in Austin. They definitely are in the mix now.
Red Bull will be mighty next season. They will modify their car with a season long PU experience. They know what to expect from it power wise and they will adjust their car towards it.

[yelistener]

verstappen's p2 lap
https://streamable.com/rrstf
https://streamable.com/rrstf

vs vettel - that turn 1 lockup really haunts him troughout the lap, otherwise a very good run. Speed trough S section is mind boggling. Max carries 17 kmh more apex speed trough T6 compared to vettel. Ferrari still stretches it's legs on the straights, so this new technical dirrective does not seem to be hampering them that much.

https://streamable.com/hl4yb
https://streamable.com/hl4yb

Leclerc's 1st Q3 lap is just as mind-blowing through the S's. T7 apex speed 227km/h, 15km/h higher than Max. He also had a mighty T19.

[langedweil]

"On Saturday morning in Austin, the FIA issued a technical directive to the F1 teams detailing a system that Red Bull had proposed that might have allowed the team to run more than the allowed amount of fuel flow.

The system was, of course, rejected by the FIA as being illegal. It is clear, however, that Red Bull did this for a reason, knowing it would be rejected but in order to have the FIA clarify what was acceptable and what was not acceptable and thus draw a line in the sand. Red Bull suspected that other teams might be using such a system, or something similar to it.

Getting more than the allowed fuel flow could create a situation in which a team might be able to burn more fuel at certain points in a race weekend, which would give the engine a little bit of extra power when it was most needed, particularly when accelerating at slow speeds, which would allow the car to carry the additional speed up through the acceleration curve and so produce a higher top speed.

It seems that the system that Red Bull created, based on experiments it conducted, allowed pulses going from the fuel flow meter, which samples what is going on, to be disrupted by external electrical “noise”. This gray area has now been closed and it will be interesting to see if it has any impact on the different levels of performance of the different F1 teams."

These things (making it up and/or finding it) to me is the JamesBondishness of F1 that's so cool ...

https://autoweek.com/article/formula-on ... cation-fia

[GhostF1]

Any chance they are running Spec4 already on Fridays? (given they have 2 of them)

Juzh's recent video uploading is telling on this front.
https://streamable.com/rrstf
This is the Verstappen's quali lap. The engine sounds significantly different, off throttle it has that crackly, back fire quality to it. If you then watch the FP1 & 2 laps, it sounded nothing like this and just had the usual cylinder cut sound.

So either they still have a previous unit for Friday's or, the setting changes for max output are significantly different now.

[Capharol]

anyone noticed that the RPM of the Red Bull is lower even with higher speed as the Ferraris

Ferrari


Red Bull

[restless]

gearing?
There were some assumptions in first half of the year, that middle gears of RB are slightly shorter, to compensate ICE

[Marti_EF3]

gearing?
There were some assumptions in first half of the year, that middle gears of RB are slightly shorter, to compensate ICE

But if you've shorter gearing, the revs on the RB should be more than the Ferrari

[restless]

at 98 its one of first gears, not middle-high ones
iirc there were some graphs showing gear vs speed (can't remember the site) and RB was switching to last 3-4 gears earlier

[ME4ME]

Time for sunday morning coffee guys. Its all in the picture, revs, gear. No mistery

[Capharol]

Time for sunday morning coffee guys. Its all in the picture, revs, gear. No mistery

i just wondered, never noticed that before

[langedweil]

gearing?
There were some assumptions in first half of the year, that middle gears of RB are slightly shorter, to compensate ICE

Especially at the start of the year it felt like RB went too conservative on their gearbox ratio's, as they seemed to be surprised by the PU's overall power.
But as the ratio's are fixed over the year (why is that anyways, cost ?) they had to workaround it this year in the mappings.
But good find Capharol, hadn't noticed it. It's quite a difference .. tho it's only
3rd.

[loner]

gears and better integrating the PU in 2020 for Honda will be among things they couldn't perfect in 2019 due to miscalculations which make RBR even more optimistic for being title contender 2020 ,i want to assume.

[Capharol]

gearing?
There were some assumptions in first half of the year, that middle gears of RB are slightly shorter, to compensate ICE

Especially at the start of the year it felt like RB went too conservative on their gearbox ratio's, as they seemed to be surprised by the PU's overall power.
But as the ratio's are fixed over the year (why is that anyways, cost ?) they had to workaround it this year in the mappings.
But good find Capharol, hadn't noticed it. It's quite a difference .. tho it's only
3rd.

as far as i could see it was in almost all gears.....