2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[McMika98]

By sabotage I mean not getting the attention and love to develop the car . In f1 you develope a car by taking into account input from both drivers when told just take setup from the other driver and drive that's not good for motivation and psychology . When Alonso a two time world champion didn't get the attention he wanted at mclaren he left .(not getting the right tire pressures in china deliberate or not is an example of sabotage because you didn't get the right setup or not enough attention was paid to you.

Do you think they are giving Albon same attention as Max? They dont even care about his race, always pitting him into a traffic, at least Gasly didn't get that. He was punching a hole in quali in Monza for everyone.
As for the car competitiveness, RedBull was second to Mercedes in 1st half. Ferrari struggled with lack of downforce expect for few tracks. Albon is doing well to bring the car home when even Mercedes has been nowhere near Ferrari after Singapore.

[Bill]

No Redbull was not second to Mercedes that's nonsense, the only track they were ahead of Ferrari was Monaco , its Max who have been performing great compared to Ferrari drivers who are error prone.

[McMika98]

Yes they were. Only Bahrain and Baku favoured Ferrari in race. Gasly underperformed massively in race.

The inboard loading concept appears to favour headwinds, the Redbull car does not. The car still needs to find some time to catch up with the Merc.

[Marti_EF3]

Gasly has nicely recovered. Albon is doing fine, his Seat is safe. If he hadn’t already secured it then today he certainly did.

Sure he has recovered now at STR. He's not a bad driver, but I think is mentally weak at the moment. What I was saying is that while he was at RBR, he was unable to recover confidence due to that double accident he had at Barcelona.

[velizare]

Lol, you always see conspirations everywhere. In Hungary Gasly 1lap behind. Austria, 1lap behind. Germany, not even able to battle with Albon and the STR. The sabotaging was himself overdriving at the tests, trying to emulate Max rather than adapt himself. He never recovered from that 2 crashes.

now albon finished ~1m13s behind verstappen. he was not lapped only because this track is much larger than hungaroring or the red bull ring, but this duration means about a lap in hungary or in austria too.
he couldn't challenge any of the mercedes or ferraris this time as well, but he had some fine battles with mclarens. this is the performance why horner sent back gasly to str.

Umm.. Did you watch the race? Did you see that part where Albon was forced to pit in lap 1?

I still don't know why I bother to answer. Just a troll

excuses, just excuses again. i'm pretty sure gasly had his excuses too why he was not able to deliver again. if albon can't compete with ferraris and mercedes, providing an useable option for horner, he will send him back to the str. patience is a luxury red bull cannot afford, not even this year. and next year they are going to challenge ferrari and mercedes for the world championship, so they are going to press also the pilots to deliver.
albon adapted to rb much faster than gasly did, but he is still not on the level horner needs him to be. i'm still unsure if they'll keep him, or go for hulk, or anyone else for the next year. remember, marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

[nzjrs]

marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

Joe Saward (from memory I think) basically said that Marko confused the order of COTA and Mexican GPs, and meant that he would announce it after this week, not last.

[velizare]

marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

Joe Saward (from memory I think) basically said that Marko confused the order of COTA and Mexican GPs, and meant that he would announce it after this week, not last.

alrite, this week then.

[Wouter]

marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

Joe Saward (from memory I think) basically said that Marko confused the order of COTA and Mexican GPs, and meant that he would announce it after this week, not last.

And he said that they now not are in a hurry, because al their drivers have a contract (seat) for next year.

[Capharol]

now albon finished ~1m13s behind verstappen. he was not lapped only because this track is much larger than hungaroring or the red bull ring, but this duration means about a lap in hungary or in austria too.
he couldn't challenge any of the mercedes or ferraris this time as well, but he had some fine battles with mclarens. this is the performance why horner sent back gasly to str.

Umm.. Did you watch the race? Did you see that part where Albon was forced to pit in lap 1?

I still don't know why I bother to answer. Just a troll

excuses, just excuses again. i'm pretty sure gasly had his excuses too why he was not able to deliver again. if albon can't compete with ferraris and mercedes, providing an useable option for horner, he will send him back to the str. patience is a luxury red bull cannot afford, not even this year. and next year they are going to challenge ferrari and mercedes for the world championship, so they are going to press also the pilots to deliver.
albon adapted to rb much faster than gasly did, but he is still not on the level horner needs him to be. i'm still unsure if they'll keep him, or go for hulk, or anyone else for the next year. remember, marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

Holy Smoke.......
you could make a group with some other ppl around here .....
Gasly couldn't even overtake Raikkönnen (Hungary) or Albon in the STR (Germany) he wrecked 2 cars in testing, he f*cked up some of his own races, and he got lapped twice by his teammate....

Albon gets back from 20. (thanks to Sainz) of the grid to 5th, he had no preparation time when he got the call, he didn''t had testing days to get to know the car, and the most important point..... IT'S HIS ROOKIE-YEAR, so it's his first time he drives some of the tracks

so from that point of view he is doing a hell of a job, better then a scary frenchmen who is afraid to overtake other cars because he couldn't stand the pressure of being in a top team.

[velizare]

Umm.. Did you watch the race? Did you see that part where Albon was forced to pit in lap 1?

I still don't know why I bother to answer. Just a troll

excuses, just excuses again. i'm pretty sure gasly had his excuses too why he was not able to deliver again. if albon can't compete with ferraris and mercedes, providing an useable option for horner, he will send him back to the str. patience is a luxury red bull cannot afford, not even this year. and next year they are going to challenge ferrari and mercedes for the world championship, so they are going to press also the pilots to deliver.
albon adapted to rb much faster than gasly did, but he is still not on the level horner needs him to be. i'm still unsure if they'll keep him, or go for hulk, or anyone else for the next year. remember, marko told they'll decide for the second pilot after mexico, but they didn't.

Holy Smoke.......
you could make a group with some other ppl around here .....
Gasly couldn't even overtake Raikkönnen (Hungary) or Albon in the STR (Germany) he wrecked 2 cars in testing, he f*cked up some of his own races, and he got lapped twice by his teammate....

Albon gets back from 20. (thanks to Sainz) of the grid to 5th, he had no preparation time when he got the call, he didn''t had testing days to get to know the car, and the most important point..... IT'S HIS ROOKIE-YEAR, so it's his first time he drives some of the tracks

so from that point of view he is doing a hell of a job, better then a scary frenchmen who is afraid to overtake other cars because he couldn't stand the pressure of being in a top team.

afraid to overtake? marko, is it you?

i were not saying whether gasly is better than albon, or vica versa. i am saying, both are suboptimal for a title contender red bull.

[Jaisonas]

Driver discussion aside, what happened to the new front wing that they were supposed to bring a couple of races ago?

[Bill]

Gasly was never comfortable in a Redbull in the same way he is on a torro rosso. A comfortable Gasly is destroying kyvat something Albon could not. A team build a car around a driver driving style that's not a myth. If Gasly was at one with the Redbull machine he could be very fast he is a quick driver.

The reason why Gasly was replaced was so Albon could be used tactical to spoil Mercedes strategy Something they couldn't do in Hungary.if you going to judge Albon don't look at Gasly ask yourself is he fulfilling the mission he had been set out to do ,play out the wing man role or is he always last of top 6

[marmer]

Good race from albon to get back in front of everyone he should be beating after taking such a huge hit and having to pit and being basically last

[loner]

i think people who argue about Albon asking his ability to match the front 5 not how he drive very well against the other drivers from the mid teams

[loner]

Verstappen on Ferrari's US pace: 'That's what you get when you stop cheating'
brace your selves for a coming mega 2 races between those 3 for the P3
CL 249 points
Max 235
SV 230