Red Bull RB16

[Youhavebeendunn]

DRS flap looks to be oscillating on Max's car. Could this be on purpose?

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[Marti_EF3]

DRS flap looks to be oscillating on Max's car. Could this be on purpose?

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It was the same on Albon's car during FP1 I think

[etusch]

I wonder what would happened if.they were use unupdated car with one of drivers. Or what they think about updates?

[Pyrone89]

Look at this:


it is both engine and chassis that Red Bull is getting murdered by Mercedes. And that while from now on engines are basically frozen until 2026 with only small changes allowed (none in 2020 apart from 1 K and control electronics) and chassis development is also severly limited until the end of 2021.

[loekf2]

Look at this:


it is both engine and chassis that Red Bull is getting murdered by Mercedes. And that while from now on engines are basically frozen until 2026 with only small changes allowed (none in 2020 apart from 1 K and control electronics) and chassis development is also severly limited until the end of 2021.

We should have a level playing field, everybody a Mercedes engine
(or take the weakest, a Ferrari engine)

Seriously, looking at the past 1-2 years, I'm wondering why the rear of the Red Bull cars are always terribly unstable. For RB16 it looked like they made lot of changes to the rear, incl. suspension. Still, they have understeer (?) issues. Think Verstappen also complained on Dutch TV about it ("the balance of the car").

[Pyrone89]

Look at this:


it is both engine and chassis that Red Bull is getting murdered by Mercedes. And that while from now on engines are basically frozen until 2026 with only small changes allowed (none in 2020 apart from 1 K and control electronics) and chassis development is also severly limited until the end of 2021.

We should have a level playing field, everybody a Mercedes engine
(or take the weakest, a Ferrari engine)

Seriously, looking at the past 1-2 years, I'm wondering why the rear of the Red Bull cars are always terribly unstable. For RB16 it looked like they made lot of changes to the rear, incl. suspension. Still, they have understeer (?) issues. Think Verstappen also complained on Dutch TV about it ("the balance of the car").

You mean oversteer.

Only gonna get worsen in 2021 when they need to remove part of the floor at the back as per the new rules for that year. While chassis is frozen, which genius came up with that idea. The same one who has continously made rules since 2014 that catered (unintended or not) to Mercedes' needs (engine, wider more draggy cars, thinner tyres, DAS ruling, front wing changes hampering RB).

[Big Tea]

Look at this:


it is both engine and chassis that Red Bull is getting murdered by Mercedes. And that while from now on engines are basically frozen until 2026 with only small changes allowed (none in 2020 apart from 1 K and control electronics) and chassis development is also severly limited until the end of 2021.

I wonder how much of that is influenced by tyre temps? it seems to be where getting the initial power down is a large component of it, which can be influenced by tyre temp.

Just gumbeating here mind

[SmallSoldier]

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[JordanMugen]

Seriously, looking at the past 1-2 years, I'm wondering why the rear of the Red Bull cars are always terribly unstable.

2019 front wing rules affected stability of high rake cars like the Red Bull, more than low rake cars like Mercedes.

The simplified front wing with less outwash is less able to deflect front tyre wakes away from the floor in high rake designs.

[Bill]

The only matric that matter is lap times Rbr is only losing minimum on two straight.The footage from sky don't show the duration of acceleration before the car reach terminal velocity. Last year ferrari was great because they could deploy their energy on batteries for longer which made them devastating. We still don't know which pu can run high mode for longer during races so rather than making assumptions is best to wait and see.

[Sieper]

That is true. That was a big hit to the high rake cars. Thinner tires was another massive set back.

I guess there is so much going on in the political struggling around rules, we will never know. We only see the result.

[loekf2]

Look at this:


it is both engine and chassis that Red Bull is getting murdered by Mercedes. And that while from now on engines are basically frozen until 2026 with only small changes allowed (none in 2020 apart from 1 K and control electronics) and chassis development is also severly limited until the end of 2021.

I wonder how much of that is influenced by tyre temps? it seems to be where getting the initial power down is a large component of it, which can be influenced by tyre temp.

Just gumbeating here mind

This reminds of the technical deputy at Redbull, who was responsible for the disastrous RB14, so when Newey took a break to work on Valkerie. This guy, think it is Pierre Waché, is a thermodynamics guy by nature and was expressing a strong wish to put more effort into "nurturing" the tyres.

I would say yes, we see the results from this, already for 3 seasons.

[McMika98]

The car is not consistent according to drivers, understeer with medium tyres and then on fresh soft massive oversteer. Probably why the one lap pace is not quite there as they can't judge the balance come hammer time.
The race pace delta to merc is about half a second which is quite a lot to claw back in a week.

[Pyrone89]

The car is not consistent according to drivers, understeer with medium tyres and then on fresh soft massive oversteer. Probably why the one lap pace is not quite there as they can't judge the balance come hammer time.
The race pace delta to merc is about half a second which is quite a lot to claw back in a week.

Seeing how Newey is admant on staying with high rake you can forget about ever getting a car that has a wide set-up window. When the car is dialed in it is a monster, if not it is a handfull. They could have at least used Alpha Tauri as a test bed for a Mercedes style low rake car.

[MtthsMlw]

Horner on DAS:
"Perhaps we will look for a more extreme solution now that the stewards are so open to it."
"Source"