2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Re: 2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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Phil wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:52
I’m more curious if Hamilton (and Verstappen) can get to the end. If not, this will play into Bottas hand who can go on medium (shorter stint than Ham/Ver) or hards and will not have to pit again.
I don't think Merc would have pitted Lewis if they didn't think he could make it to the end. if there's a safety car or anything like that I think they'll all just stop for softs.
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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:55
Fulcrum wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:43
El Scorchio wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:41
Good to see LeClerc said he apologised and took the blame. Not many drivers have the balls to admit being wrong like that.
Absolutely! But it’s nice to see as a man he can hold his hand up instead of just always blaming someone else.
Yes, he does like to self-flagellate from time to time. I'd prefer he didn't make such stupid mistakes
It's just bad temper it happens in the first place ... dumbass action
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Restomaniac wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:57
So Bottas is on tyre that are 12 laps younger than Hamilton.

The next time anyone on here tries to tell me that Mercedes don’t pick one driver over with regard to pit strategy......Well they are full of BS.
12 laps?

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LM10 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:58
Restomaniac wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:57
So Bottas is on tyre that are 12 laps younger than Hamilton.

The next time anyone on here tries to tell me that Mercedes don’t pick one driver over with regard to pit strategy......Well they are full of BS.
12 laps?
Yep sorry 9 laps.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 00:39
Schuttelberg wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 00:34
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12 Jul 2020, 00:15


Might wanna check Hamilton vs Button in the rain.

And nobody is saying Max is a rain god. Both he and Hamilton are a class above the rest in the wet. And Stroll funninly enough is also very good in the wet.
Another horrific exaggeration.
How do you wanna call it? Vettel used to be up with them but he isnt the same Vettel anymore.
I know the last wet race I saw was Germany 2019 and I don't remember Vettel spinning in that race. The other two did. I look at more than results.
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And there goes the fastest lap gift from Mercedes to Bottas. They aren’t picking sides though. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Over 30 seconds between Verstappen and his teammate. Oof.
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Wynters wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 00:57
Schuttelberg wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 00:30
I don't think Seb has the edge. I understand your opinion, but what was the gap? A tenth? Less? I don't think speed wise they were different last weekend and I don't think there is a gap this weekend either. Vettel had his customary over driving moment of madness last week and Leclerc maximised his result from the mayhem around him, but the bottomline simply is that Ferrari don't have the car, speed, team or leadership. The situation has been so since 2009 and actually their drivers have always been the least of the issues.

In a nutshell, to answer your question I think Leclerc is faster on Saturdays's and Vettel has better pace on Sunday's. The both have been guilty of mistakes in the last year and this is honestly true of any driver on the grid but, results mask a lot of things in this sport.
Interesting and I appreciate the insight. You are right about the gap (0.083) and about the performance of Ferrari in general too (I still wince when I recall 2014).

Where do you think Vettel's edge in pace on Sundays comes from? Is this a gap you think Leclerc will close? Or could close? Or neither?
I think it's just experience. Leclerc, Verstappen just seem to go through their tyres a lot more. I think Hamilton and Vettel are still the class of the field on Sunday in terms of pace. Ricciardo, Verstappen and Leclerc are close.

I think ultimately, Leclerc will learn and get better. In how long? Time will tell.
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Hamilton is saving his tires for sure to attempt a fsstest lap towards the end. That’s my bet.
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I don't know about you guys but I am now convinced that Mercedes pays the media every week to brain wash people. Bottas & Hamilton were lapping faster than Verstappen on used tyres. It says A LOT.
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Phil wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:07
Hamilton is saving his tires for sure to attempt a fsstest lap towards the end. That’s my bet.
So is his teammate with tyres ~10 laps younger.

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Restomaniac wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:09
Phil wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:07
Hamilton is saving his tires for sure to attempt a fsstest lap towards the end. That’s my bet.
So is his teammate with tyres ~10 laps younger.
bottas first has to catch someone before hes starting to save his tyres and currently gap is 9s to verstappen, 14 to ham.

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Well, Bottas is now falling back and slower than Verstappen. Dialed the car down?
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Think Ricciardo is nursing the car with cooling issues, given that Ocon had to retire, and DR had cooling issues last weekend? Seems Perez caught him too quickly.

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hudnut wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:13
Think Ricciardo is nursing the car with cooling issues, given that Ocon had to retire, and DR had cooling issues last weekend? Seems Perez caught him too quickly.
His pace is consistent with sainz, rp is just blazing fast