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It's down to the driver in the other car how he takes it being beaten by his teammate. Alonso, button and rosberg all took it really well, but Hamilton, in the right mental environment, is an absolute machine. If he were to move into a team with an established top, but political driver next to him, I think he'd struggle. Which makes him a nicer human being, but leaves him a bit vulnerable to mind games.

For example if he were forced to move into Alonso's Ferrari in 2013 , it wouldn't have ended well for him.

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We dont know what he does behind the scenes. For all we know he could also be one to play mind tricks. Looking forward to Rosberg and Hammy both spilling their beans on their period together.
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Pyrone89 wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 23:25
Big Tea wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 22:42
Manoah2u wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 22:26


haven't seen them, please share :)
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dy ... 4489146338

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-auto ... ri-F1-News
Can Toto make himself look anymore like the dark lord in that picture? :lol:
We are not in Kansas now Toto (Hahahah....sorry )


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The second seat at Red Bull looks like it needs filling.

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Fulcrum wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:06
The second seat at Red Bull looks like it needs filling.
I know it is pretty far-fetched, but a sign?
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Big Tea wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 22:42
Manoah2u wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 22:26
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 20:30


Interesting pics of Vettel and Toto in conversation after qually
haven't seen them, please share :)
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dy ... 4489146338

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-auto ... ri-F1-News
well thank you dear sir!
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Morteza wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 18:13
Fulcrum wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:06
The second seat at Red Bull looks like it needs filling.
I know it is pretty far-fetched, but a sign?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcuONg_X0AA ... name=large
To be fair, i think Albon did a pretty decent job last race, but well, yeah, Styrian GP wasn't really his cup of tea, which is disappointing since it was the same track. That said, Albon might just not have been accostumed to rain and changing weather enough and where Max excelled, Lex fell through. It's gonna be down to the next GP, preferably in the try then, to see where things will go.

If Lex is up there in Hungary and the subsequent GP, he's gonna make it hard for the higher ups to decide on what to do. Unfortunately the problem for Albon is that to be honest, even at his very best, he's still not on Max' level. Let's just put it like this: where Max is definately a P1 driver in a RedBull, i'm afraid that no matter the circumstances, Albon is a P3 driver, and the only way he's ever gonna make a P1 is lucking out.

If you look into Vettel though, he is a proven winner, and even when things are down he can manage to make it. Yes, he's been having quite the crashes in the recent past which don't really paint things well, but underneath it all, we're still dealing with a blazingly fast 4 time WDC that in his Ferrari time also wheeled in many wins and was a title contender.

If we look at the fact that Albon has made multiple contacts too, then if a higher up would need to decide:
"okay, let's say that both Lex and Seb are similar in their 'contact/crash' dangers, which of the two drivers is better at the other areas or perhaps: if we will have a blind eye to that issue, which of those two is gonna get us a win?"

then i think there is ZERO doubt at all that Seb will be the one.

They already evaluated Kvyat and Gasly, and neither of them were found fit for the RBR seat.
They're now weighing in on Albon, and unfortunately for Alex, he's under a magnifying glass now and his last result wasn't too positive.

We could thus actually see Seb end up in a RedBull after all. Matter of fact, if Marko had to choose 'as it is', i think there is little doubt that between Vettel, Albon, Gasly and Kvyat, that Vettel is THE fastest and best driver of them all, so turning out to be an 'easy' decision if you may.

Interesting enough, I think Vettel would also push Max a lot harder than Albon ever would.

What I would be most interested in would be: Would RBR actually grab Vettel DURING the 2020 season and replace Albon DURING the 2020 season and put Lexy boi back in a AlphaTauri (Adios Kvyat/Gasly)?

Ferrari would surely bring in Raikkonen alongside LeClerc, and Alfa Romeo would probably replace Kimi with Kubica.
That would turn 2020 in the most insane season ever in history.

What i think is most interesting of it all is that it's not even that unimaginable, and that it could actually happen.
Will it? very much remains to be seen.

But i think it's pretty clear Mercedes is not going to be giving Seb a seat, and since Renault and Mclaren are shut,
it'll be either RedBull or Aston Martin, and it's safe to say that RedBull would be the safest bet.
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Manoah2u wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 22:15
Morteza wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 18:13
Fulcrum wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:06
The second seat at Red Bull looks like it needs filling.
I know it is pretty far-fetched, but a sign?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcuONg_X0AA ... name=large
To be fair, i think Albon did a pretty decent job last race, but well, yeah, Styrian GP wasn't really his cup of tea, which is disappointing since it was the same track. That said, Albon might just not have been accostumed to rain and changing weather enough and where Max excelled, Lex fell through. It's gonna be down to the next GP, preferably in the try then, to see where things will go.

If Lex is up there in Hungary and the subsequent GP, he's gonna make it hard for the higher ups to decide on what to do. Unfortunately the problem for Albon is that to be honest, even at his very best, he's still not on Max' level. Let's just put it like this: where Max is definately a P1 driver in a RedBull, i'm afraid that no matter the circumstances, Albon is a P3 driver, and the only way he's ever gonna make a P1 is lucking out.

If you look into Vettel though, he is a proven winner, and even when things are down he can manage to make it. Yes, he's been having quite the crashes in the recent past which don't really paint things well, but underneath it all, we're still dealing with a blazingly fast 4 time WDC that in his Ferrari time also wheeled in many wins and was a title contender.

If we look at the fact that Albon has made multiple contacts too, then if a higher up would need to decide:
"okay, let's say that both Lex and Seb are similar in their 'contact/crash' dangers, which of the two drivers is better at the other areas or perhaps: if we will have a blind eye to that issue, which of those two is gonna get us a win?"

then i think there is ZERO doubt at all that Seb will be the one.

They already evaluated Kvyat and Gasly, and neither of them were found fit for the RBR seat.
They're now weighing in on Albon, and unfortunately for Alex, he's under a magnifying glass now and his last result wasn't too positive.

We could thus actually see Seb end up in a RedBull after all. Matter of fact, if Marko had to choose 'as it is', i think there is little doubt that between Vettel, Albon, Gasly and Kvyat, that Vettel is THE fastest and best driver of them all, so turning out to be an 'easy' decision if you may.

Interesting enough, I think Vettel would also push Max a lot harder than Albon ever would.

What I would be most interested in would be: Would RBR actually grab Vettel DURING the 2020 season and replace Albon DURING the 2020 season and put Lexy boi back in a AlphaTauri (Adios Kvyat/Gasly)?

Ferrari would surely bring in Raikkonen alongside LeClerc, and Alfa Romeo would probably replace Kimi with Kubica.
That would turn 2020 in the most insane season ever in history.

What i think is most interesting of it all is that it's not even that unimaginable, and that it could actually happen.
Will it? very much remains to be seen.

But i think it's pretty clear Mercedes is not going to be giving Seb a seat, and since Renault and Mclaren are shut,
it'll be either RedBull or Aston Martin, and it's safe to say that RedBull would be the safest bet.
3 different partners to Max have not shaped up as expected. Could it be that Max really is that much better than others, and if so, are they wasting a good driver with Albon if they boot him?

I doubt it is possible, but If ran the team (yes, they would be useless, but besides that) I would like to try say Sebastian, for a single race just as a yardstick. I know he would mot be representative of his true self in one weekend, but it would give them an idea of if it was worth changing. Another possibility would be bringing Hulk back for a weekend, but it leads to all sorts of problems of motivation for Alix then. I bet we wil see another novice brought in and Albon dumped.
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Im known for my far fetched, wish-list ideas. So here goes;

All depending on how Vettel and Ferrari go together in Hungary, if its as poor as the past two weekends, and since Stroll may be entrenched at Racing Point, i can see Helmut Marko doing his best, going to Ferrari with a settlement to buy out Vettels contract. Vettel will come home to Red Bull aside Verstappen. Albon will go to Alpha Tauri alongside Gasly. Id suggest Kvijat will stay with Alpha Tauri as a Reserve Driver for the rest of next year with Buemi.

This will then lead to the early switcheroo, Sainz to Ferrari (Ill suggest he will regret this move in the short to medium term) Riccardo to McLaren and Alonso back in the sport. Id suggest that Renault, Alonso will probably keep his entry in the Indy 500, so id suggest that Renault will bring Sirokin or Hulkenberg back for two or three races with the Silverstone double header and the Spanish GP with Alonso coning in at Spa.

Drivers, they will be a changing soon. I heard that Zak and Ciril were in talks a few times this weekend, probably discussing how much of Red Bulls money they can take from Ferrari once the lead dominoes tumble and fall.

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ESPImperium wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 23:52
Im known for my far fetched, wish-list ideas. So here goes;

All depending on how Vettel and Ferrari go together in Hungary, if its as poor as the past two weekends, and since Stroll may be entrenched at Racing Point, i can see Helmut Marko doing his best, going to Ferrari with a settlement to buy out Vettels contract. Vettel will come home to Red Bull aside Verstappen. Albon will go to Alpha Tauri alongside Gasly. Id suggest Kvijat will stay with Alpha Tauri as a Reserve Driver for the rest of next year with Buemi.

This will then lead to the early switcheroo, Sainz to Ferrari (Ill suggest he will regret this move in the short to medium term) Riccardo to McLaren and Alonso back in the sport. Id suggest that Renault, Alonso will probably keep his entry in the Indy 500, so id suggest that Renault will bring Sirokin or Hulkenberg back for two or three races with the Silverstone double header and the Spanish GP with Alonso coning in at Spa.

Drivers, they will be a changing soon. I heard that Zak and Ciril were in talks a few times this weekend, probably discussing how much of Red Bulls money they can take from Ferrari once the lead dominoes tumble and fall.
To be honest, i think it's rather a no brainer that Vettel will be better in the RedBull than Albon, the only thing is how much time would Seb need to adapt? Contractwise they no need to worry about Albon.
And quite frankly, i don't think there is a contract worry with Seb either.
Since it has been learned that it's not in the most 'gentleman' ways on how Vettel was 'ditched', and he wasn't even 'forwarded' an option for 2021, i think there's really fat chance Ferrari has any power if Vettel decides to up and leave. Even more, i think that Ferrari's weak performance and engine defecit (FIAgate lets say) would actually be enough for a possible 'performance clause' to come into effect, especially regarding the situation with COVID.

Meaning, i wouldn't be surprised if Vettel can just raise the (other) finger, and Ferrari is left out.

If not, it's not like relations are good at this point and i think it'd be in best interest for all parties involved just to say 'adios' and no money needs to flow anywhere but the money in seb's contract anyways.

Meaning, Vettel could even be in a RedBull seat by hungary, worst case scenario.

I don't believe however that Sainz will then suddenly dance towards Ferrari, for the simple fact that he's doing an outstanding job right now for Mclaren and i'm certain there ARE contract issues there to overcome.

Meanwhile, Ferrari has the likes of Kimi to just come aboard and play ball, which he will. And if not, then there's Giovanazzi. The season has been lost more or less anyway at this point so they could even go for that placeholder.
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I doubt any of that will happen. It would need Vettel to walk from Ferrari, assuming he has a suitable get out clause. If he hasn't then I would see Ferrari keeping him. Why let him go somewhere where he'll take points off you?

As for the rest of it - total fiction, but it made me smile. 8)
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alexx_88 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 08:55
It's down to the driver in the other car how he takes it being beaten by his teammate. Alonso, button and rosberg all took it really well, but Hamilton, in the right mental environment, is an absolute machine. If he were to move into a team with an established top, but political driver next to him, I think he'd struggle. Which makes him a nicer human being, but leaves him a bit vulnerable to mind games.

For example if he were forced to move into Alonso's Ferrari in 2013 , it wouldn't have ended well for him.
Alonso more or less was working the politics in his time at McLaren... And dare I say that even though he did the same at Ferrari.. He was not as loved at Ferrari as it may have seemed. At McLaren he was initially loved then sort of marginalized himself.

Button was Witmarsh's best buddy at McLaren and was the favoured driver in his time. He was also British media darling versus the esoteric Hamilton.

And Rosberg won over the Mercedes big wigs at the end of 2015. They even switched mechanics around and gave Rosberg dossiers on Hamiltons driving secrets at Rosbergs request.

I don't think Hamilton will have any problem handling a political teammate. Not even sure if there are any left. Maybe LeClerc. His apology today stinked of disingenuity!
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Manoah2u wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 22:15



We could thus actually see Seb end up in a RedBull after all. Matter of fact, if Marko had to choose 'as it is', i think there is little doubt that between Vettel, Albon, Gasly and Kvyat, that Vettel is THE fastest and best driver of them all, so turning out to be an 'easy' decision if you may.

Interesting enough, I think Vettel would also push Max a lot harder than Albon ever would.

What I would be most interested in would be: Would RBR actually grab Vettel DURING the 2020 season and replace Albon DURING the 2020 season and put Lexy boi back in a AlphaTauri (Adios Kvyat/Gasly)?

Ferrari would surely bring in Raikkonen alongside LeClerc, and Alfa Romeo would probably replace Kimi with Kubica.
That would turn 2020 in the most insane season ever in history.

What i think is most interesting of it all is that it's not even that unimaginable, and that it could actually happen.
Will it? very much remains to be seen.

But i think it's pretty clear Mercedes is not going to be giving Seb a seat, and since Renault and Mclaren are shut,
it'll be either RedBull or Aston Martin, and it's safe to say that RedBull would be the safest bet.
It would be a lovely story for Seb to go back home and retire as a RedBull man. After today... I changed my mind. They need to get Vettel in the other seat. Dump Gasly and Kvyat just as Alguesari and Buemi were dumped. Throw Alex there and some other new kid.
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Where did you change your mind though?
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Manoah2u wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 00:46
Where did you change your mind though?
Lazy typing on my part. Meant to say, I thought Albon deserved to stay at RedBull and that Vettel had no place there. After today... I change my mind.
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