[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[_cerber1]

Ivan mentioned a while back that his latest work for Formula 1 proved very fruitful on the Wind Tunnel, so we can expect new parts that he characterized as "interesting shapes". I am not sure if what he mentioned is included on the Silverstone Package though.

Yes, he was talking about the next few weeks, without specifying exactly when.

[RonDennis]

Gulf is the new sponsor.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... dZ8jxZ9WqH

[PlatinumZealot]

Exactly! The MCL35 seems to be a good step from the MCL34, which proved to be a good car last year... Not a lot can be done about what other teams are doing and the focus has to be on developing as much as possible given that they won’t be able to update the car in between seasons

Carlos states that their upgrades will come for Silverstone, so if they can be in the mix at the start, it should be a good season.


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Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

[Macklaren]

Gulf is the new sponsor.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... dZ8jxZ9WqH

https://preview.redd.it/4aqv1bu4tlc51.j ... 19d861b944

OH WOW. What an iconic brand to bring back to F1. Think of the livery possibilities!

[Macklaren]

Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

I don't see how this is a surprise given how much has changed with McL and F1 in the last 15 years starting with the fake Spygate scandal which successfully broke McLaren. I believe this is also why true McLaren fans love the team/company/brand. Its not just about supporting a winning brand when it is winning but the fact that a relatively small organization can fall from dominance to the very bottom and then rebuild back to the top against much larger competitors is very inspiring to watch.

[Big Tea]

Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

True, but it has coincided with a real resurgence. The truth hit home hard but once they bit the bullet and realise they were no longer the steamroller they once were they have turned a corner and are getting honest results.
I feel Ferrari could learn a thing from their mind set now.

[Emag]

Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

The thing is, McLaren hasn't won a race since 2012. At the time, 2013 was considered a horrible season for McLaren, but given how the team handled difficult periods in the past, it was really expected that they were going to jump back in 2014. When they didn't, people understood that something had gone wrong with the team.

The internal power struggles between Martin and Ron probably were a contributing factor to the team's demise, but we can't be too certain. What we know is that the aftermath was pretty devastating for McLaren.

The switch to Honda wasn't made with ill intents, and it was a very good strategic move by Ron, but Honda was not ready at the time. They should have waited at least another year before they made the switch to give Honda time to develop. In the end though, I don't think it really mattered.

McLaren as we knew it, was no more. It is true that the cars from 2015-2017 suffered from engine issues (power and reliability), but as 2018 proved, the problems lied even deeper within the team itself.

Zak Brown was a good hire for McLaren, because he acknowledged the shortcomings of his team after 2018 and has made efforts to improve it ever since. McLaren has incredible facilities, but they were operating under very inefficient schemas that did not utilize their human resources to the fullest.

Zak has now made some important hires in the leadership of the team to try and get everything organized, and based on how this year has been going so far, I would say he has done a good job. Key has delivered on the technical side because he has managed to improve the previous design by maintaining a somewhat similar concept. And that is a very important skill to have on your team (Mercedes, RedBull and Ferrari all try to stick on one concept and try to improve upon them every year as they learn the car more with time. Starting from scratch frequently may prove to be difficult on the long run in case something goes wrong)

And Andreas is seemingly the best man to lead the team operationally. At least the best *available man. The spirit in the team has been quite high recently. McLaren is starting to build up confidence again. If they keep things up, I really think we could see them back on the top within the next 2-3 years.

[Ground Effect]

Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

Williams, Lotus, Brabham all say hi... If you’ve watched or followed F1 for long enough, we’ve seen stuff like this before. The interesting thing is, McLaren has refused to stay down and are fighting their way back. Which, quite frankly, has been fun to watch over the last year or so.

[Darth-Piekus]

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

I don't see how this is a surprise given how much has changed with McL and F1 in the last 15 years starting with the fake Spygate scandal which successfully broke McLaren. I believe this is also why true McLaren fans love the team/company/brand. Its not just about supporting a winning brand when it is winning but the fact that a relatively small organization can fall from dominance to the very bottom and then rebuild back to the top against much larger competitors is very inspiring to watch.

You can't imagine how much I agree on that one. That whole Spygate was a complete set up. They never managed to find anything from Ferrari's data on the car despite checking all of the car . The whole trial was a parody since they pretty much sentenced a team without proof. Then Hamilton came under psychological attack all of a sudden inside and outside of F1 after Mclaren was stripped of the championship. Then we had the scandal of the last race having Two Williams and Two Sauber Cars with Illegal Petrol Temperature giving them a positive handicap in their defence against Hamilton and the FIA completely covered it up. Then of course we had Renault getting accused for the same Spygate but the FIA covered it also up.

Mclaren and Mercedes were damaged beyond repair that year from the 100 Million and it's something that destroyed the whole organisation making Mercedes leave with the whole personnel of Mclaren and Hamilton and making their own team. We are still recovering from that. Meanwhile Ferrari the epitome of scandal as a team is getting covered from when I remember seeing F1 from 1988. I remember the 1990 FIA trying to make Prost with Ferrari champion by any means nessesary, the Schumacher-Barrichelo/Irvine/2nd Driver orders to change positions, The Malaysia 1999 with Illegal Ferraris, the 2007 Spygate Set Up, the 2008 trying to make Massa Champion by any means nessesary, the 2008 Spa FIA Disgraceful Decision, Mika Hakkinnen getting lots of penalties in 2000, The whole scandal in Indianapolis in 2005 with the FIA banning Michelin and the Michelin teams paying the price next year.

[McG]

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

I don't see how this is a surprise given how much has changed with McL and F1 in the last 15 years starting with the fake Spygate scandal which successfully broke McLaren. I believe this is also why true McLaren fans love the team/company/brand. Its not just about supporting a winning brand when it is winning but the fact that a relatively small organization can fall from dominance to the very bottom and then rebuild back to the top against much larger competitors is very inspiring to watch.

Well said Macklaren.

Unfortunately people don't seem to realise it's actually not all about winning. For most teams it's about survival and the journey. Teams have different goals in different time scales.

It's arrogant and ignorant to expect McLaren to be doing anything better than they are doing now.

With the exception of Mercedes...

Red Bull, Renault and specifically Ferrari are the only ones at the moment that real expectations should be laid upon, with Ferrari being the complete and utter failures of the bunch.

[Darth-Piekus]

Disagree about Renault. They've never been a serious contender except a small period in the early turbo era and with Alonso. Mclaren on the other hand was always the big team that lost their way because of the Spygate and the dispute between Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmarsh. However every year from 2018 we are taking great strides. I would say it's arrogant and ignorant to ignore the sleeping giant that starts to wake up but instead underestimate the team. They aren't yet in a position to challenge Mercedes and that can be seen in the small mistakes they do from time to time but they are making strides each year and they are gonna be a challenger soon.

Also there is a saying where the first is the best and the second is nothing.

[billamend]

Has there been any confirmation of an upgrade to Silverstone?

[muz]

Rumours that McLaren have signed a new deal with Gulf. Could we see the return of THAT livery?

So next year, 2 great drivers, Mercedes engines and possibly iconic historical livery??? Things certainly in a great place

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[diffuser]

Top early to say if is a good car or not. One can be hopefully.

Guess that it depends on your definition of “Good Car”?

The MCL34 was a good car, P4 in the WCC was proof of that... The MCL35 is an step forward compared to the MCL34 and so far it doesn’t seem to have any major problems/weaknesses to address.

For me at least, a good car is one that will allow Mclaren to fight for P4-P5 in the WCC, with this year’s and next cars been based on the same regulations as the MCL34 and the gap to the top 3 last year, I have no expectations of fighting at the top... The MCL35 seems to be capable of been in that fight


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Funny how times change. McLaren supporters used to look forward to a win every race. Then, Ron and Whitmarsh regularly boasted of the team's winning average. Win or Bust. Now.. hearing people happy with P4 and P5 just seems sooo un-McLaren like...

unfortunately there are about 9 other teasms in F1 that would be happy with the same result. There is only 1 outlier to that. So McLaren are the part of the rule not the exception.


I think, the two cars that are last after the 5th lap should slow down and take out Merc. Every race would be more fun.

[Darth-Piekus]

Rumours that McLaren have signed a new deal with Gulf. Could we see the return of THAT livery?

So next year, 2 great drivers, Mercedes engines and possibly iconic historical livery??? Things certainly in a great place

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What was an iconic historical livery with Gulf?