Show us the quote and who the insider is. I don't care to google search something that I have no idea to query. Why don't you share with us your query instead of being childish and refusing to post evidence that supports your claim.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 04:11I have been following the Honda engine since inception so I take very careful note of what is said.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 01:58I really doubt that Tanabe or Yamamoto would have used the word "robust". That's your wording, is it not?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 23:55
Nope. Not talking about that video. I am talking about winter testing comments! You have to search for those set of videos/quotes and you will see what is said there.
You should post the video or quotes if you're so sure about what was said and what made you suspicious. What are your suspicions regarding Honda's comments? Are you insinuating that the usage of the word "robust" was used in the context of being "suspect"? The MGUK is limited in its output and Honda has already maximized it so your comment about the MGUK lacks both evidence or intent. What are you trying to say? That Honda wanted to copy Mercedes' cheat codes or ERS mapping or that they were looking for a way to cheat?
I am going to make an edit here.
I just found the quote! But it is not from Tanabe or Asaki! It is from a japanese Honda insider. I cannot share here! But it can be googled!
Probably more like he isn't a young pup anymore, and burning the wick at both ends last year to catch up to the Ferrari false target, is more than he wants to do at this point in his career!
Your rude comment doesn't deserve a response.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 07:32Show us the quote and who the insider is. I don't care to google search something that I have no idea to query. Why don't you share with us your query instead of being childish and refusing to post evidence that supports your claim.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 04:11I have been following the Honda engine since inception so I take very careful note of what is said.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 01:58
I really doubt that Tanabe or Yamamoto would have used the word "robust". That's your wording, is it not?
You should post the video or quotes if you're so sure about what was said and what made you suspicious. What are your suspicions regarding Honda's comments? Are you insinuating that the usage of the word "robust" was used in the context of being "suspect"? The MGUK is limited in its output and Honda has already maximized it so your comment about the MGUK lacks both evidence or intent. What are you trying to say? That Honda wanted to copy Mercedes' cheat codes or ERS mapping or that they were looking for a way to cheat?
I am going to make an edit here.
I just found the quote! But it is not from Tanabe or Asaki! It is from a japanese Honda insider. I cannot share here! But it can be googled!
Googling robust mguk links you to a post on this site, in this thread.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 07:32Show us the quote and who the insider is. I don't care to google search something that I have no idea to query. Why don't you share with us your query instead of being childish and refusing to post evidence that supports your claim.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 04:11I have been following the Honda engine since inception so I take very careful note of what is said.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 01:58
I really doubt that Tanabe or Yamamoto would have used the word "robust". That's your wording, is it not?
You should post the video or quotes if you're so sure about what was said and what made you suspicious. What are your suspicions regarding Honda's comments? Are you insinuating that the usage of the word "robust" was used in the context of being "suspect"? The MGUK is limited in its output and Honda has already maximized it so your comment about the MGUK lacks both evidence or intent. What are you trying to say? That Honda wanted to copy Mercedes' cheat codes or ERS mapping or that they were looking for a way to cheat?
I am going to make an edit here.
I just found the quote! But it is not from Tanabe or Asaki! It is from a japanese Honda insider. I cannot share here! But it can be googled!
no one can catch up with an illegal PU except in an illegal way , how can you find 50-60 hp legally in few months , be it Honda , Mercedes or Renault , beside such power will deceive to complement the chassis , didn't Ferrari took the pole in Singapore 2019 with all its tightly corners did Ferrari have the best chassis last year?
I keep repeating this and no one hears me because I'm not that good with links and such on forums, this information is spot on zibby....zibby43 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 23:14The FIA also could've stripped Ferrari of all their results and prize money for 2019, but they didn't. Instead, they got a private settlement.mem wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 22:31you do repeat your self alot about how great mercs are ,how they are the most efficiency among all etc etczibby43 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 20:51The FIA have been triggered to act because Ferrari are getting routinely beat by midfield and customer teams. I say let them reap what they sowed, but the FIA/FOM will never let that happen in a year where they’ve lost nearly $100m and need as many eyeballs on TV rooting for Ferrari.
can you explain if the FIA only act now because Ferrari are getting routinely beat by midfield ,why they hampered Ferrari in the first place ? couldn't they tell Ferrari hey detune your PU by 20 hp and hushhh don't tell any one
can you explain why FIA didn't take away points from Racing point(more than 15) or dsq them from races ?!!
can you explain how mercs can qualify 1.1s ahead of RBR Honda although few months ago they were qualifying with a different of 1 to 2 tenths.
isn't it clear as sun shine the abnormality of the Mercedes power unit behavior ?, if you see Mercedes qualifying in SPA
with only 1 or 2 tenths ahead of RBR Honda and Hamilton can no longer cruise away in races (due to the FIA current investigation) will you admit the wrong doing of Mercedes or you will still defend them blindly...
Re: RP (which has nothing to do with this thread), they did actually lose points, unlike Ferrari. And Renault dropped the appeal today, which to me seems like a tacit admission that RP exploited a loophole/unregulated area in the regulations, and now Renault are satisfied that it will be closed going foward.
Re: Merc's pace. Yes. They're faster in every type of corner compared to Red Bull this year, which accounts for the vast majority of the gap.
Out of the 7+ tenths gap in qualifying in Barcelona, about 5-6 tenths came from superior cornering performance.
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
Mercedes' performance increase this year relative to the midfield is virtually identical to past seasons. Which suggests that they did NOT make a huge performance step this year, relative to other years.
Which is also contrary to what GhostF1 has been claiming.
Red Bull and Ferrari fell back. Did they get their car builds wrong? Or did those PU-related TDs affect Honda and Ferrari more? Things that make you go "Hmmmm."
"Nothing has been able to touch the Mercedes W11 in the first three races. No other car has qualified within 0.5sec of it and its advantage at the last race was 0.9sec. But the notable thing is that it isn’t any further clear of the midfield than was last year’s car, as the figures below illustrate.
Qualifying pace average deficit of McLaren/Renault/R Point to Mercedes
2019 – 1.972 per cent
2020 to date – 1.771 per cent"
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arti ... -f1-rivals
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Thanks @Dren I found it.dren wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:36.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 07:32.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 04:11I have been following the Honda engine since inception so I take very careful note of what is said.
I am going to make an edit here.
I just found the quote! But it is not from Tanabe or Asaki! It is from a japanese Honda insider. I cannot share here! But it can be googled!
Show us the quote and who the insider is. I don't care to google search something that I have no idea to query. Why don't you share with us your query instead of being childish and refusing to post evidence that supports your claim.
Googling robust mguk links you to a post on this site, in this thread.
That's an overly simplistic view of a complex subject matter.
Childish? You and Ispano are the childish ones who think you can demand answers and get them immediately, when all you have to do is quick google. Posters these days, demanding to be spoon fed everything!Wouter wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 19:45Thanks @Dren I found it.
"It is from a japanese Honda insider. I cannot share here!"
Childish by @PZ not to mention @Wazari in a Honda topic.
I immediately kindly asked for a link in a PM, he saw it, but got no answer to it either.
Perhaps there in differences in how long the MGU-Ks can be run at high power. During a qualification lap, if they are maximising ERS use, the K will need to run at max power for around 50+seconds as well as most of the rest of the lap at whatever the H can deliver. They are very seldom not in operation. This is quite a lot more than race duty, maybe half the energy throughput. If they size cooling for race duty they might need to work hard to get the K to cope with the qualification duty cycle.Mudflap wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 20:35There are 2 reasons why I don't buy the strong/robust MGUK:
1. Hamilton had to take a new MGUK early. That is definitely not a sign of robustness.
2. The power delta between the worst MGUK (95% efficient) and an unheard of 100% efficient MGUK is only 6 kW. That is less than 1% of the maximum PU power. If so called Honda insiders claimed to have measured such small deltas from GPS data I call b/s.
Is there a chance Merc have a more efficient MGUK ? Sure, but realistically it's not something worth more than a couple kw at best, certainly not something other teams can infer from whatever data they gather at the track.